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Bluedog
04-03-2005, 09:29 AM
All taken at ISO 100 using the Partial Metering mode and Manually selecting Center Point AF @ 8:30AM. Resized using PS Elements 2 with no editing image results. I must say I'm having second thoughts on the Kit lens. The image quality and color reproduction looks very nice to my eyes.

My backyard is really starting to take on some color with the start of Spring.

Canon EOS DIGITAL REBEL XT
Shooting Mode Aperture-Priority AE
Tv 1/640
Av 5.6
Metering Mode Partial Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
ISO Speed 100
Focal Length 55.0mm
White Balance Mode Auto

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/1885/img02408wh.jpg

Exposure Compensation -1/3

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/1381/img02412tw.jpg

Shooting Mode Aperture-Priority AE
Tv 1/800
Av 5.6
Metering Mode Partial Metering
Exposure Compensation 0
Focal Length 45.0mm

http://img238.exs.cx/img238/5718/img02427op.jpg

Exposure Compensation -2/3

http://img240.exs.cx/img240/7387/img02431gr.jpg

Bluedog
04-03-2005, 09:41 AM
These are Amaryllis buds cropped from original to show detail.

Tv1/640
Av 5.6
Exposure Compensation 0

http://img154.exs.cx/img154/6133/img02494qb.jpg

Exposure Compensation -2/3

http://img154.exs.cx/img154/7321/img02506hp.jpg

Native Azalea from above cropped

http://img25.exs.cx/img25/4339/img02453pf.jpg

D70FAN
04-03-2005, 10:21 AM
These are Amaryllis buds cropped from original to show detail.



The kit lens does not like wide open aperture, so try stoping down a little (f8). It should make a world of difference. It looks like you have plenty of light so shutter speed shouldn't be an issue. For wider apertures (f4 to f5.6) try using the lens in the mid-range (about 35mm to 45mm).

The content, composition, and color are fine.

Bluedog
04-03-2005, 01:44 PM
I've gotten some pretty nice results in the mid afternoon sun closing down the Aperture I'll post the results in a bit.

TV 200 AV f10

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/509/img02821kd.jpg

speaklightly
04-03-2005, 09:07 PM
Bluedog-

George is very correct. If you will stop down that kit lens to F 8.0 or more, things will look a lot better. However, all in all these are wonderful photos.What is easy for a Nikon D-70 takes abit more work with an XT! Only kidding! But please do take look at "POD 04/04/2005". It is very much like your photos and it was taken at 7:30pm PDT after a heavy rfain shower.

Sarah Joyce

Bluedog
04-03-2005, 09:58 PM
The last shot is taken at f10 and as you can notice there is more detail in the Native Azalea photo. What I'm seeing is probably the Canon Kit lens limitations here but lets be honest for a so called $100 Lens you can't say the results aren't impressive.

Sarah thats a nice POD you posted with the D70 but I'll have to say the XT/Kit quality in my eyes is right on par with the D70. Wished you could have taken the same photo with your XT ... :)

jamison55
04-04-2005, 05:06 AM
The kit lens is best stopped down, and really seems to shine at macros... Definitely the best WA Macro lens you can buy for $100.

speaklightly
04-04-2005, 06:36 AM
Bluedog-

As can be expected, in Oregon, its raining heavily again right now. If we get a break in the weather today, I will shoot some side by side, XT versus the D-70 shots.

Sarah Joyce

speaklightly
04-04-2005, 11:40 AM
Bluedog-

Well it finally began to clear. Please keep in mind that the exposures will vary somewhat due to the sun popping out and then going behind the clouds again. All of the photos shown from the Canon 350XT, the Canon 20D, and the Nikon D-70 are at 150% crop. I attempted to post the photos within the post but they look bad

To see the excellent detail, a higher resolution, is required, so click on the link listed below:

www.digicamlady.smugmug.com/gallery/449518

Sarah Joyce

TheObiJuan
04-04-2005, 02:12 PM
did you have the contrast and saturation up a few notches?
the xt image looks too contrasty for my taste. I have not experienced any shots like this. Do you know if your xt is set to parameter 1, it is set there by default.

speaklightly
04-04-2005, 03:16 PM
Juan-

Yes, the contrast is boosted on the XT.

Sarah Joyce

Bluedog
04-04-2005, 04:00 PM
Thanks Sarah for your time doing this. I too think the Contrast seems a little to bright in the XT photo but overall there is more detail in it than the 20D and D70 ... could be the lens I guess.

I have mine set on the factory default Auto White Balance and Parameter 1 when taking photos outdoors but I'm not seeing that much Contrast using the Kit lens.

TheObiJuan
04-04-2005, 05:39 PM
I took 3 100% crops and added a title to the images only. See for yourself. I feel the XT has the best image resolution in this test. The colors in the XT image are too saturated and too contrasty because of camera settings. The 20D's image is way to soft because of the lens used. I would like to see the shot retaken with the same lens used on the XT. The D70, of course, has very nice colors and detail. But at 100% crop, the differences are apparent.

my apologies for the size, I would post them seperately, but side to side would allow y'all to see the differences.

http://img203.exs.cx/img203/8613/flowertest3yp.jpg

Bluedog
04-04-2005, 05:53 PM
:confused:

Are we all looking at the same 3 flower pictures?

I have to agree with Juan as he's got the results above. Same as I said the XT does have better resolution but the Contrast is off ... at least on my ViewSonic Pro Series Monitor.

speaklightly
04-04-2005, 06:43 PM
George-

That was my goof. I was hurrying to get the pictures done between rain showers. I checked the ISO on the two Canons and forgot to check the Nikon D-70.

No, they are not arm chair discussion perfect, but they are up less than two hours after I received the request. By the way the original photos were already a 150% crop, so if, Juan, added more crop, please take that into consideration.

All of the photos were taken using the Qick-Set tripot that I purchased in 1952.

It was not perfect, but a good try.

Sarah Joyce

EAP
04-04-2005, 06:50 PM
Bluedog-

Well it finally began to clear. Please keep in mind that the exposures will vary somewhat due to the sun popping out and then going behind the clouds again. All of the photos shown from the Canon 350XT, the Canon 20D, and the Nikon D-70 are at 150% crop. I attempted to post the photos within the post but they look bad

To see the excellent detail, a higher resolution, is required, so click on the link listed below:

www.digicamlady.smugmug.com/gallery/449518

Sarah Joyce

Sarah, you have one of my favorite lighthouses up on your gallery, the Coquille River Lighthouse in Bandon. Do you live near there?

TheObiJuan
04-04-2005, 06:52 PM
wow, so then the images I posted are 250% crops.
not bad at all!

speaklightly
04-04-2005, 10:50 PM
EAP-

Yes, we live about 90 minutes from Bandon. Anyone for some Bandon cheese?

Sarah Joyce

Bluedog
04-05-2005, 06:30 AM
The XT's default Parameter 1 has the Contrast, Saturation, Sharpness and Color Tone all a step above their mid point range. Parameter 2 sets them to a more Natural Color balance. That could explain Sarah's results in her comparisons.

speaklightly
04-05-2005, 07:03 AM
Bluedog-

Yes, the XT was at the default parameter, thus the greater contrast. And the XT was NOT using the kit lens it was using the Tokina 24-200mm lens. So the different lens has to factor into the equation as well.

Sarah Joyce