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Rhys
02-02-2009, 02:33 PM
I'm almost out of business cards....

Thus I'm thinking of redesigning them, dumping my old slogan and going slogan-free for a while. It seems to me that slogans are for big businesses anyway - not for entrepreneurs - the same as corporate images etc.

At the moment I'm tossing up three ideas...

1. Just use a template - quick, cheap, easy.
2. Concentrate on quality - use a linen texture card with plain text on it.
3. Take a photo of a pair of rings and put that as the photo on a card designed by myself and uploaded as a JPEG file.

Clearly a card is very useful as something quick that can be handed out as contact details. Also, equally clearly, it doesn't really matter how much it costs as expensive cards fit in the trash just as well as cheaper cards.

I have looked into plain card printing with a laser printer and using a card cutter. It seems though that card cutters are horribly expensive.

cdifoto
02-02-2009, 03:39 PM
You can get a quality card for not a lot of money, but if you go with some perforated home printed junk, it's not gonna go over well. Unless of course your goal is to look cheap.

Rhys
02-02-2009, 03:43 PM
You can get a quality card for not a lot of money, but if you go with some perforated home printed junk, it's not gonna go over well. Unless of course your goal is to look cheap.

Yes... The perforated stuff isn't really that great. I've tried them and they don't go over well. The cost is not much different from getting cards printed.

I was looking idly at plain card - not perforated - and using a card cutter. That'd be feasible if I was getting into the card making business. Actually, that seems to be quite a profitable business that might be worth getting into!

cdifoto
02-02-2009, 03:46 PM
Not in my opinion. You need a huge lab that can turn out insane volume to make a profit. Otherwise it's like buying an Epson R800 and calling yourself an enlargement lab.

Rhys
02-02-2009, 05:04 PM
Looking at startup costs, it's $100 for the cheapest cutter and $100 for a cheapish printer.

Running costs depend on the cost of ink, cardstock and cutter blades.

I cannot imagine cutter blades would last too long.

Looking at the cost of ink, I'd estimate 1 set of cartridges every 30 pages if it's full color cards. That could be as much as $75. The cardstock $12 for 250. From each card one could get 10 business cards.

Now... the cost calculation, assuming zero wastage (which is utter nonsense with home inkjets), assuming an order of 1,000 cards...

This is 100 sheets of card at $12 for 250 or $4.80 worth of paper.
Add ink... About 3 1/3rd sets of ink at $75 per set... $250

Assuming blades never wear out then we can have 1000 cards for $255 approx...

Quite expensive really. I can see though that a card cutter at $100 might be handy along with some cardstock for emergency business cards. They'd certainly look a shed load better than that perforated crap.

As I said with prints, ages ago, it's a shed load cheaper and more satisfactory to buy in than to do your own printing.

Mark_48
02-02-2009, 05:06 PM
The thought of printing and hand cutting a 1000 cards doesn't particularly appeal to me.

A quick Google search and this site came up at the top of the heap...

http://www.vistaprint.com/vp/welcome.aspx?xnav=welcomeback&rd=2

For about $25 you can get 1000 cards made up. I'm sure there are cheaper places or more expensive. The point is, most peoples time is of some value and I'd rather spend the $25 than screw around trying to make cards.

Maybe if you could find a local printer, you could barter a trade of some photography for business cards.

cdifoto
02-02-2009, 05:07 PM
Emergency business cards? No need for that. When you're running low, order more. If you start with 1,000 cards and have about 1/4th of the box remaining, that means you have a 250-card buffer. Order more then instead of waiting until you're down to the last card.

Mark_48
02-02-2009, 05:13 PM
In case of emergency write your name and number on a paper napkin.

Rhys, you spend far too much time analyzing the crap out of all you try to do. If you need business cards simply go out like everyone else and buy them.

GaryS
02-02-2009, 08:18 PM
Check out Moo.com . They do great photo-business cards.

te1221
02-02-2009, 09:06 PM
MPix does great glossy business cards. I have those done, although they do scratch easily if not carried properly (i.e. a business card holder)

Nickcanada
02-03-2009, 06:46 AM
I recommend this stuff.... http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/cat_sku.asp?CatIds=&webid=479992&affixedcode=WW (http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/cat_sku.asp?CatIds=&webid=479992&affixedcode=WW)

They look good.

Rhys
02-03-2009, 07:34 AM
The Canada link wouldn't work for me. I looked at Staples US site and found the cards were quite expensive for what they were. I think I'll probably go back to Overnight Prints again.

adam75south
02-03-2009, 09:27 AM
i have the worst business cards ever. i really need to get some nice ones. i just would rather buy gear!

cdifoto
02-03-2009, 09:29 AM
My cards are pimp.

Nickcanada
02-03-2009, 09:35 AM
How many cards do you guys go through in a year????

Rhys
02-03-2009, 09:43 AM
I went through the last batch really quickly!

I'm wondering about the worth of the expense though as they don't seem to have helped much in terms of sales.

Thus far I'm finding all the things that don't work and don't help in terms of sales and not the things that do help...

1. Websites don't seem to work at all. Mine gets no visitors no matter what it looks like.
2. Clothing advertising does occasionally solicit enquiries.
3. Vehicle advertising does occasionally solicit enquiries.
4. TV advertising didn't work.
5. Craigslist does occasionally solicit enquiries.
6. Junkmailing - both online and offline is too expensive to contemplate.
7. Press advertising - too expensive to contemplate.
8. Poster/hoarding advertising - too expensive to contemplate.

I'm thinking more in terms of just running off some inkjet cards - nothing fancy - in order to cut the expense of business cards. If the professionally produced cards don't help then a fuzzy-edged inkjet card isn't going to hurt that total lack of response any worse.

Nickcanada
02-03-2009, 10:01 AM
I went through the last batch really quickly!

I'm wondering about the worth of the expense though as they don't seem to have helped much in terms of sales.

Thus far I'm finding all the things that don't work and don't help in terms of sales and not the things that do help...

1. Websites don't seem to work at all. Mine gets no visitors no matter what it looks like.
2. Clothing advertising does occasionally solicit enquiries.
3. Vehicle advertising does occasionally solicit enquiries.
4. TV advertising didn't work.
5. Craigslist does occasionally solicit enquiries.
6. Junkmailing - both online and offline is too expensive to contemplate.
7. Press advertising - too expensive to contemplate.
8. Poster/hoarding advertising - too expensive to contemplate.

I'm thinking more in terms of just running off some inkjet cards - nothing fancy - in order to cut the expense of business cards. If the professionally produced cards don't help then a fuzzy-edged inkjet card isn't going to hurt that total lack of response any worse.

how much is in a batch?

cdifoto
02-03-2009, 10:07 AM
How many cards do you guys go through in a year????
Do you mean in numbers handed out or in designs printed? For the former, not nearly enough. I need to press more flesh. As far as the design, I think I'm on my last one for a good while.

Mark_48
02-03-2009, 10:14 AM
Sort of unrelated to business cards, but a way to get some exposure and possible opportunity to handout business cards or flyers, have you considered attending a bridal show? The entrance fee is usually cheap (exhibitor space isn't) and it'll give you a good idea what's going on with other photographers and other wedding related stuff. One this month at...

Sunday, February 22, 2009
1:00 - 5:00 p.m.
Columbia Metropolitan Convention Center
1101 Lincoln Street in the Vista
Columbia, SC
http://www.bridecity.com/

Monte Zucker article for brides
http://www.bridecity.com/articles/howmuchphotographsworth.htm

http://www.southcarolinabride.com/Bridalshows.htm

Additionally found this...
http://www.southcarolinabride.com/ListYourBusiness.htm

$100 a year for basic advertising or $120 for a premium listing that targets the wedding market

Nickcanada
02-03-2009, 10:24 AM
Do you mean in numbers handed out or in designs printed? For the former, not nearly enough. I need to press more flesh. As far as the design, I think I'm on my last one for a good while.

Yeah, I meant amount handed out.

So far all of my limited amount of work has come from word of mouth.

Rhys
02-03-2009, 10:41 AM
The last batch was 250 and it has lasted maybe 6 months.

michaelb
02-03-2009, 10:54 AM
....but a way to get some exposure and possible opportunity to handout business cards or flyers, have you considered attending a bridal show?....


I'm definitely sticking with landscapes. :D

cdifoto
02-03-2009, 11:11 AM
Sort of unrelated to business cards, but a way to get some exposure and possible opportunity to handout business cards or flyers, have you considered attending a bridal show?
Handing out cards/flyers as an attendee rather than a vendor? Hmm. Cheesy & as soon as the organizers find out, you're booted from the premises.


EDIT: My bad. I didn't realize at first you directed that advice towards Rhys. Go for it Rhys!

Mark_48
02-03-2009, 12:11 PM
Handing out cards/flyers as an attendee rather than a vendor? Hmm. Cheesy & as soon as the organizers find out, you're booted from the premises.

EDIT: My bad. I didn't realize at first you directed that advice towards Rhys. Go for it Rhys!

Half the fun is to avoid getting caught. Gotta be discreet in going about it. Haven't we all gotten booted or banned from somewhere at least once in our life? :D

cdifoto
02-03-2009, 12:17 PM
Half the fun is to avoid getting caught. Gotta be discreet in going about it. Haven't we all gotten booted or banned from somewhere at least once in our life? :D
True. I got kicked out of a porn shop when I was 16 and a bar when I was 17.

zmikers
02-03-2009, 04:30 PM
True. I got kicked out of a porn shop I didn't think they kicked out VIPs :p

D Thompson
02-03-2009, 04:48 PM
One of my buddies got kicked out the Vatican years ago.

cdifoto
02-03-2009, 05:02 PM
I didn't think they kicked out VIPs :p
That was before I could even become a VIP. Laugh's on them though...I only need two more punches on my frequent buyer card at their competitor to get a free DVD. And I'm on my 23rd card.

te1221
02-03-2009, 05:50 PM
That was before I could even become a VIP. Laugh's on them though...I only need two more punches on my frequent buyer card at their competitor to get a free DVD. And I'm on my 23rd card.

Ahhh... from pornstars to bridesmaids.... lil CDI is all grown up :D

Rhys
02-03-2009, 09:24 PM
I don't think I've ever been kicked out of anything!

Rhys
02-03-2009, 10:31 PM
Until I can think of something fancy, I've just come up with this which I'll print on those fuzzy-edged DIY business card creations. It's better than nothing and is pretty cheap. Plus as it's a B/W design, I can shove it through a laser printer.

I might put a $25 off coupon on the back too :p

cdifoto
02-03-2009, 11:19 PM
It's better than nothing
I disagree.

adam75south
02-04-2009, 07:32 AM
I don't think I've ever been kicked out of anything!

i got kicked out of that all american rejects show.

Rhys
02-04-2009, 01:19 PM
I disagree.

Hmm... Thinking about it...

For the expense of business cards when 90% will end up in the trash within hours and of the remaining 10%, most will lie in a drawer/wallet/whatever and get forgotten then eventually will be eaten by the dog, it seems hardly worth it to have them.

The sole advantage of a business card (and people get their knickers into a right old twist over them) is to save time in writing your details down on a scrap of paper. Looking professional has nothing to do with it - data is the purpose of a business card.

The other purpose of giving out information like that is that people will want to contact you for more information. This is where my cards usually go wrong - they give out too much information. One had a pricelist on the back, for example. As a matter of fact, I just took the prices off my website too.

The great thing about these DIY cards from Staples is that you can afford to mess about with your designs until you get them right. As I've said before, too much information is bad so I'm heading towards giving out very little information. The key to selling is personal contact - as CDI says - pressing palms together.

The handy thing about a website is it's a low-cost brochure that most can see. The downside is - once people have seen it, they don't need to contact you to meet you in order to see your portfolio. It's a shed load more impressive to blow people's minds with a stunning 11x14 portfolio than for them to look at some VGA-sized image on some PC screen of indeterminate quality and indeterminate color balance.

One guy I knew that ran a photography shop and whose son was a photographer (in fact the owners used to be medical photographers) was persuaded to put up a website by some guru he hired. The website was pretty nifty but at the end of the day, he let it lapse. Why? Because he was interested in trade that came through his door rather than online enquiries that he had no interest in fulfilling. As another example, I used to work for a computer repair company. They were a lot dishonest hence I left them. They had a website and used to get calls from other countries which that had no interest in fulfilling. Eventually I believe they dumped the site.

What I think we all realise is that personal contact brings in customers. Websites do not allow that personal contact. I'm getting far more enquiries from live contact than from dead zones such as TV and internet.

cdifoto
02-04-2009, 01:24 PM
Hmm... Thinking about it...

For the expense of business cards when 90% will end up in the trash within hours and of the remaining 10%, most will lie in a drawer/wallet/whatever and get forgotten then eventually will be eaten by the dog, it seems hardly worth it to have them.

The sole advantage of a business card (and people get their knickers into a right old twist over them) is to save time in writing your details down on a scrap of paper. Looking professional has nothing to do with it - data is the purpose of a business card.

The other purpose of giving out information like that is that people will want to contact you for more information. This is where my cards usually go wrong - they give out too much information. One had a pricelist on the back, for example. As a matter of fact, I just took the prices off my website too.

The great thing about these DIY cards from Staples is that you can afford to mess about with your designs until you get them right. As I've said before, too much information is bad so I'm heading towards giving out very little information. The key to selling is personal contact - as CDI says - pressing palms together.

The handy thing about a website is it's a low-cost brochure that most can see. The downside is - once people have seen it, they don't need to contact you to meet you in order to see your portfolio. It's a shed load more impressive to blow people's minds with a stunning 11x14 portfolio than for them to look at some VGA-sized image on some PC screen of indeterminate quality and indeterminate color balance.

One guy I knew that ran a photography shop and whose son was a photographer (in fact the owners used to be medical photographers) was persuaded to put up a website by some guru he hired. The website was pretty nifty but at the end of the day, he let it lapse. Why? Because he was interested in trade that came through his door rather than online enquiries that he had no interest in fulfilling. As another example, I used to work for a computer repair company. They were a lot dishonest hence I left them. They had a website and used to get calls from other countries which that had no interest in fulfilling. Eventually I believe they dumped the site.

What I think we all realise is that personal contact brings in customers. Websites do not allow that personal contact. I'm getting far more enquiries from live contact than from dead zones such as TV and internet.
People are less likely to toss your card in the trash if it's a nice, professional looking card that has information leading to a nice, professional looking website offering nice, professional looking services.

There's a reason you're getting more inquires in person than through your website...your website looks like ass, and the people contacting you in person haven't seen it. A lot of my inquiries started out on my website. I know this because if they email me, they used the contact form. If they called me, they generally start off saying something like "I'm looking at your website here and I have a few questions..."

adam75south
02-04-2009, 01:40 PM
mine start off like this.....um, i'm looking for a photographer but i don't have much money.

Nickcanada
02-04-2009, 01:58 PM
Mine start out like, I was going to get a photographer but I was wondering if you would do it instead.

adam75south
02-04-2009, 02:03 PM
how many megapickles do you shoot with?

Nickcanada
02-04-2009, 02:06 PM
15, suck it, I'm pro.

Rhys
02-04-2009, 02:07 PM
Most of my enquiries start with "we don't have much money".

D Thompson
02-04-2009, 03:48 PM
Looking professional has nothing to do with it - data is the purpose of a business card.
I hope you're kidding here, but doubt you are. Are you that stupid??:confused: If your card looks like crap, your website looks like crap, then why would people even begin to think you're a professional, much less actually call you? Your business card and website are an extension, or should be, of your work. Crappy work is crappy work.


The other purpose of giving out information like that is that people will want to contact you for more information. This is where my cards usually go wrong - they give out too much information. One had a pricelist on the back, for example. As a matter of fact, I just took the prices off my website too.
Why would you take the prices off your site? I can guarantee if I go to a site for whatever and they show the product but not the prices it's click on the x and go to the next site. I'd say most people share that sentiment.

The handy thing about a website is it's a low-cost brochure that most can see. The downside is - once people have seen it, they don't need to contact you to meet you in order to see your portfolio. It's a shed load more impressive to blow people's minds with a stunning 11x14 portfolio than for them to look at some VGA-sized image on some PC screen of indeterminate quality and indeterminate color balance.
"If" you have portfolio of 11x14's that will blow them away then put them on the website. They will also have a positive effect looking on a website if you're showing quality work. The downside is not that they don't need to contact you after viewing your site because they have all the info, it's once they see your crappy-ass website there is no reason to contact you.

I agree with CDI.

Rhys
02-04-2009, 04:15 PM
My website is not for selling my service. It is just there as a product catalog. I took prices off because it's a reason for people not to call. If there are no prices then they have a reason to call. If that's a problem for them then they're not serious anyway.

Business cards are purely for contact details. I have taken my website and my email off my latest card - why? Because I want people to telephone me. I want to speak to people - I don't want them browsing around.

Most of my computer repair clients come from personal contact. None come from business cards or from my computer repair website. In fact, people that have phoned having seen my website have largely been scammers trying to sell something.

cdifoto
02-04-2009, 04:29 PM
"If" you have portfolio of 11x14's that will blow them away then put them on the website. They will also have a positive effect looking on a website if you're showing quality work. The downside is not that they don't need to contact you after viewing your site because they have all the info, it's once they see your crappy-ass website there is no reason to contact you.

I agree with CDI.
No doubt. I have sample images, product images, and a bio (albeit an anemic one) so that when I'm contacted, it's because they already like what they see and want to meet me. I don't like to meet people just to show them my work. That wastes a LOT of time. I mean, what if I'm not even the style they're looking for? They coulda found that out on my website and not wasted their time too.

cdifoto
02-04-2009, 04:35 PM
My website is not for selling my service. It is just there as a product catalog. I took prices off because it's a reason for people not to call. If there are no prices then they have a reason to call. If that's a problem for them then they're not serious anyway.

No. The website IS for selling your service. People should be calling because they already know or are about 90% certain they want to hire you.


Business cards are purely for contact details. I have taken my website and my email off my latest card - why? Because I want people to telephone me. I want to speak to people - I don't want them browsing around.

That's the most asinine business move ever. Your website and your email address are contact points.



Most of my computer repair clients come from personal contact. None come from business cards or from my computer repair website. In fact, people that have phoned having seen my website have largely been scammers trying to sell something.
That's because your website sucks in every way possible. If one tries to sell you a clue, please buy it.

Nothing pisses a person off more than someone wasting their time.

Rhys
02-04-2009, 04:54 PM
Clearly websites work for some people. They don't work for me and never have. I don't believe websites ever will work for me - no matter what the style, content or whoever designs them. I have met many people that tried professional websites and found they were just a complete and utter waste of time. I remember being at a seminar where a large business spoke of their problems with websites, website designers and the increased fraud that websites brought. The only saving grace that the internet had for them was increased exposure to business clients further away. I, of course am only interested in local clients.

cdifoto
02-04-2009, 04:58 PM
Clearly websites work for some people. They don't work for me and never have. I don't believe websites ever will work for me - no matter what the style, content or whoever designs them. I have met many people that tried professional websites and found they were just a complete and utter waste of time. I remember being at a seminar where a large business spoke of their problems with websites, website designers and the increased fraud that websites brought. The only saving grace that the internet had for them was increased exposure to business clients further away. I, of course am only interested in local clients.
First, a great website is better than no website, but no website is better than a crappy website.

Second, even a great website doesn't make up for poor product and/or service.

Third, you'll never succeed if you have a conspiracy-theory attitude about everything.


Maybe you should become a cult leader and start a compound instead.

Rhys
02-04-2009, 05:43 PM
Clearly you misunderstand what I am saying: some things work for some people. The same things don't work for others. Here's a challenge for you - if you think you're right then you pay to design a "pro" website and I'll change my domain redirection. Then we'll see. I can guarantee that nobody will call me to book photography on the strength of just a website. That's not how the world works! Here, people prefer to meet and see physical portfolios.



First, a great website is better than no website, but no website is better than a crappy website.

Second, even a great website doesn't make up for poor product and/or service.

Third, you'll never succeed if you have a conspiracy-theory attitude about everything.


Maybe you should become a cult leader and start a compound instead.

TenD
02-04-2009, 06:04 PM
If I am shopping for something, I do it on the web. If a website looks like crap, I move on to the next one. If the website has no prices, I figure I either can't afford it, and move on, or just move on. I prefer to do my research before making any phone calls, if I can't do the research, another site gets my business.

You have a strange slanted view on everything and always fail to take anyones advice even though you throw it out here all of the time for thoughts. When the thoughts fail to align with your thoughts you reject the comments and continue on your merry and not so profitable way. I don't know why you even bother with these posts.

Mark_48
02-04-2009, 06:29 PM
Nothing pisses a person off more than someone wasting their time.

How long have we been trying to steer Rhys in the right direction and it appears to fall on deaf ears? It does start to wear a bit thin when the same suggestions and recommendations, and good ones at that, are repeated over and over, only to create argument as to why something should be done in a totally different and irrational way. Reminds me of when my kids were teenagers, they wouldn't listen to much of anything either myself of my wife told them. Fortunately they grew up, matured, and realized what mom and dad had said made sense.

Rhys you are fortunate to have members of this forum that are consistently so willing to try and help you out. I think it helps that everyone has known you so long and knowing that you genuinely bring a uniqueness of character and value to this forum. It evidently could and can be tougher out in the real world of some Pro forums where expectations might be higher.

It's a wonderful and gratifying feeling sometimes to do things on your own, such as building of a website or printing of your own business cards. And this is great for someone with aspirations of being not much more than a hobbiest at best. If you have the desire to even be considered a Pro, you've got to act like one. Develop some pride in how you present yourself through your website and business cards, as these will reflect the first impressions of what a client will come to expect from you. If you don't have the skills to design, create, and put out a good website or cards, it's only good sense to have someone that possesses those skills to do it for you. Work with that person to make sure it's designed to your liking.


In order of what I feel is of importance

Business card - refers to website link or can result in direct call and client interview. Baiting the hook. Use attractive bait on the hook.

Website - for the client who doesn't want to commit to a direct call yet and would prefer to see photo work first. Website could also be linked from an online wedding directory, craigslist, or elsewhere. The fish is nibbling at the bait. If it doesn't taste good he'll spit it out. Make it tasty, make him bite.

Portofolio - Used to further enhance a client interview and promote available packages and pricing. Time to set the hook and reel in the fish.

In the roughly two years you've been promoting yourself, how successful have you been doing it your way?

Rhys
02-04-2009, 06:58 PM
The internet is nothing. It's just one of many dead-end routes toward finding clients. I tried TV advertising and it didn't work. It didn't even raise the hits on my website very much. Typically before the advert I was getting 50 unique hits a day. During the advert duration this did go up by 20 but it remained above 70 for a long time - way past the end of my advert duration. Thus, it was just background noise. 3 months after my advert ended, hits rose again but to about 90 a day. My estimation is that since search engines count for virtually zero of that, it's web crawlers increasing their activity.

I would rather be out there shaking hands and meeting people than messing about with websites and such rubbish. I've had several enquiries since I started meeting people. As an experiment I have printed a few DIY business cards without a website or email listed. I bet I get more response.

D Thompson
02-04-2009, 07:57 PM
I'm just lmfao.

SpecialK
02-04-2009, 10:50 PM
Rhys:
I PM'd this to you a while back. Perhaps you did not get it. The math is still off on your .UK page...


This is the home of four great things:
1. My blog
2. My Computer-oriented website.
3. My Photography business website.
4. My articles on photography.
5. An excellent example of Nigerian scamming.

Why did I host all three on the same webspace?

cdifoto
02-05-2009, 06:58 AM
Clearly you misunderstand what I am saying: some things work for some people. The same things don't work for others. Here's a challenge for you - if you think you're right then you pay to design a "pro" website and I'll change my domain redirection. Then we'll see. I can guarantee that nobody will call me to book photography on the strength of just a website. That's not how the world works! Here, people prefer to meet and see physical portfolios.
You obviously did not read anything I typed in that post you so conveniently quoted.

I'll try again:


First, a great website is better than no website, but no website is better than a crappy website.

Second, even a great website doesn't make up for poor product and/or service.

Third, you'll never succeed if you have a conspiracy-theory attitude about everything.


Maybe you should become a cult leader and start a compound instead.

D Thompson
02-05-2009, 07:03 AM
You obviously did not read anything I typed in that post you so conveniently quoted.

I'll try again:

Give it up. Just think of a Ron White quote ;).

cdifoto
02-05-2009, 07:07 AM
The internet is nothing. It's just one of many dead-end routes toward finding clients. I tried TV advertising and it didn't work. It didn't even raise the hits on my website very much. Typically before the advert I was getting 50 unique hits a day. During the advert duration this did go up by 20 but it remained above 70 for a long time - way past the end of my advert duration. Thus, it was just background noise. 3 months after my advert ended, hits rose again but to about 90 a day. My estimation is that since search engines count for virtually zero of that, it's web crawlers increasing their activity.

I would rather be out there shaking hands and meeting people than messing about with websites and such rubbish. I've had several enquiries since I started meeting people. As an experiment I have printed a few DIY business cards without a website or email listed. I bet I get more response.
Sure. You'll get more response (ie leads). But those won't be quality leads. You'll get more folks who are in the earliest stage - window shopping. The difference they'll have to waste your time so they can do that window shopping. It'll cost you more in the long run - time, gas, meal, breath mints, etc.

A good website lets people know ahead of time whether they want you or not.

Yeah, get out there and meet people and press palms and get your business card in their pockets, BUT give them a website to check out too. If they like your work, they'll set up a meeting.

Don't piss them off by meeting them only to show them a book of shit-ass 11x14s, thus wasting their time. Let them find out ahead of time they don't want you.

Mark_48
02-05-2009, 07:28 AM
Don't piss them off by meeting them only to show them a book of shit-ass 11x14s, thus wasting their time. Let them find out ahead of time they don't want you.

"Shoot and burn"

Would there be any point in having a portfolio of 11x14's to show, if the end product to the client is a CD of JPG's and from that they will likely have prints done on the cheap at Walmart?
If you hire a cheap photographer you sure ain't gonna go the expense to have quality prints made.

cdifoto
02-05-2009, 07:45 AM
"Shoot and burn"

Would there be any point in having a portfolio of 11x14's to show, if the end product to the client is a CD of JPG's and from that they will likely have prints done on the cheap at Walmart?
If you hire a cheap photographer you sure ain't gonna go the expense to have quality prints made.
Probably not, but Rhys brought it up. I don't show 11x14s either because they're unwieldy to carry around. I have enough trouble passing a DVD over the table without knocking the drinks over. :o

adam75south
02-05-2009, 07:54 AM
Give it up. Just think of a Ron White quote ;).

will ron burgandy do?
"I love scotch. Scotchy, scotch, scotch. Here it goes down, down into my belly... "