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Rooz
08-21-2007, 05:27 AM
i'm certianly not in the market for a body upgrade at all but just wondering...assuming that a d300, (or d3x for the more wealthy among us), is announced and it lives up to expectations...is anyone actually in the market to upgrade ? :confused:

the canon forum is swept up in upgrade fever with the 40D, (and no wonder with all those crappy rebel owners lol :p). i know alot of the canon guys i shoot with are upgrading to the new 40D or 1Ds and the nikon guys are waiting with baited breath for the d3x; but no one here seems to have indicated any desire at all to upgrade their body.

just out of curiosity...

K1W1
08-21-2007, 05:50 AM
I Have always said that the next body I buy will be a D200 class (rather than D80) so I guess the D300 will probably be the go when it's time to part with the readies.
Lets hope it takes SD + CF (Hate CF and if the body only uses it then IMO it's a backward step) otherwise I'll have to get some CF to SD converters before I purchase.
In case you haven't figured it out yet IF the purchase happens I will definitely not be anywhere near the head of the queue.

Turn
08-21-2007, 05:53 AM
I don't think the XT is that bad..

this guy takes awesome photos with it
http://robertmekis.deviantart.com/gallery/?order=9

and I'm simply giving it a miss, I'm waiting for the next EOS 400D

Rooz
08-21-2007, 06:02 AM
I don't think the XT is that bad..

this guy takes awesome photos with it
http://robertmekis.deviantart.com/gallery/?order=9

and I'm simply giving it a miss, I'm waiting for the next EOS 400D

i was only taking the piss mate. :p
cameras dont take good photos...people take good photos. :)

XaiLo
08-21-2007, 06:11 AM
I've been in a holding pattern now for about eight months now. My original choice was a D200, but I suspected that both Canon and Nikon would be releasing new cameras this year. So I decided way back when to see how all this played out. At the time the S3 was really enough for my needs and my clients were happy with the results. Basically I used it for web and some fine art experiments.

On a personal preference level the S3 fell short in a couple of key areas:
1) Shutter speed
2) Focus
3) Low light
4) Viewfinder
5) Consistancy

And number five spelled the the begining of the end for my S3. I had never seen a D40 and while reviewing the specs it was pretty close in size to the S3, so a light bulb went off in my head. I could kill three birds with one stone with the D40 I could semi-retire my S3, build my glass collection, and be patient as to the selection of a second body. If a D300 is released and has no significant advances over the D200, I pick up a D200 at a great price with the difference having gone into some glass. On the other hand if the D300 is all that! I gain a great camera. I saw it as a win win situation. If a D3 is released we'll have to go back to the drawing board on that one and see what we come up with. In the meantime the D40 is holding it's own. :D

Prospero
08-21-2007, 06:18 AM
I am not in the market for an upgrade. I am no longer in the market for a new lens either. Being a student and living on my own is a bit too expensive.

I will keep my D50 until it breaks. When it does, I will probably get a D200 class camera. By the time that that happens, it will probably be the D400 or D500 :).

Rooz
08-21-2007, 06:23 AM
If a D3 is released we'll have to go back to the drawing board on that one and see what we come up with.

wow you;d seriously consider a d3 ?? :eek: its gonna cost a bloody fortune mate !

XaiLo
08-21-2007, 06:46 AM
Yep! I would wieght it out carefully but yes. ;)

K1W1
08-21-2007, 07:17 AM
Yep! I would wieght it out carefully but yes. ;)

I reckon at least a kilo and a half plus the Pro lenses to go with it.
I hope you are spending time pumping iron in the gym. :)

tekriter
08-21-2007, 07:36 AM
I am definitely on the hunt for a D200 or whatever replaces it.

I was just about to pop out the money for a D200 body when two things happened:

1. D200 bodies got quite scarce

2. The rumor mill fired up about the D200 replacement.

I do a LOT of night sports shooting, so the possibility that the "New D200" would have better high-iso performance is enough to get me to wait. I'm getting by with my D50 for now, but with the prep school year getting underway I can't wait long.

If and when the "New D200" is announced, I will probably be one of the first to call in an order.

Turn
08-21-2007, 07:45 AM
I am not in the market for an upgrade. I am no longer in the market for a new lens either. Being a student and living on my own is a bit too expensive.

I will keep my D50 until it breaks. When it does, I will probably get a D200 class camera. By the time that that happens, it will probably be the D400 or D500 :).

stick with the D50 mate, I think its a fine enough camera unless you really need what the others offer.

aparmley
08-21-2007, 08:12 AM
I hoping to see some lens updates from Nikon. Surely, there are more informed people on the lens situation. I'd like to see some AF-S primes. I'd like to see a 30 1.4-1.8 AF-S - That lens might make me lay down the plastic. . . .

If no lenses are announced/released no money comes out of my pocket for anything Nikon announces this week. I'd rather buy a Mac than D300. A new camera will do nothing to improve my photography.

VTEC_EATER
08-21-2007, 08:53 AM
I feel that Im at least a good year or more out before I should look at new camera bodies. But by that time, I would hope that whatever the D200 replacement is will have bugs worked out, and have all the new goodies that Nikon/Sony are brewing up. Definitely skip right over the D80(S or X) replacement bodies and go to the semi-pro.

Lenses, well thats another story. Im with aparmley. AFS primes, and a 17-55 F/2.8 VR. That will work nicely.

And if none of this happens, then maybe that 40D with some nice Canon glass is in the future.

rawpaw18
08-21-2007, 09:14 AM
I will give very serious consideration to the D200 replacement.

rawpaw18
08-21-2007, 09:16 AM
AFS primes, and a 17-55 F/2.8 VR. That will work nicely.



Sold! Honey it just fell in My Cart

r3g
08-21-2007, 10:29 AM
Ive been telling myself that my next body was going to be a D80 but seeing as this probably wont be at least a year from now I'll most likely get a D200 depending on how its price looks. But theres no way to tell because the game will be pretty different in 12 months.

tcadwall
08-21-2007, 11:18 AM
I was just about to pop out the money for a D200 body when two things happened:


For me it was one thing happened. Laptop crapped. Now a new laptop is sitting next to me, as I try to get all my old apps running - on a VISTA platform.... Oh I hate this. Would much rather have spent the money on a D200

No Control
08-21-2007, 12:05 PM
Well seeing as I just bought my D80 and I'm in no way "wealthy" it will be a few years until I upgrade. In the meantime I'd like to get some good glass. When the time comes I'll probably get a D200-type body.

jcon
08-21-2007, 01:34 PM
i'm certianly not in the market for a body upgrade at all but just wondering...assuming that a d300, (or d3x for the more wealthy among us), is announced and it lives up to expectations...is anyone actually in the market to upgrade ? :confused:

the canon forum is swept up in upgrade fever with the 40D, (and no wonder with all those crappy rebel owners lol :p). i know alot of the canon guys i shoot with are upgrading to the new 40D or 1Ds and the nikon guys are waiting with baited breath for the d3x; but no one here seems to have indicated any desire at all to upgrade their body.

just out of curiosity...

I might be interested in a D3x or something like that. The only way/reason I would look into a new body is higher ISO performance. If were to upgrade, I dont know if would keep the D200 as a 2 body set-up or sell it to suplement the upgrade.

I dont see a D300 offering much more than my D200 to warrant spending more cash on another body.

For the most part, Lenses and SB-800s are my main priority right now.

The 17-55 F2.8VR, now that catches my eye....

Turo
08-21-2007, 01:47 PM
I am not in the market for an upgrade. I am no longer in the market for a new lens either. Being a student and living on my own is a bit too expensive.

I will keep my D50 until it breaks. When it does, I will probably get a D200 class camera. By the time that that happens, it will probably be the D400 or D500 :).

Ditto on everything. :cool:

fionndruinne
08-21-2007, 03:48 PM
Yeah, I'm going to hang onto my D40 for a long while, I'm thinking. There are simply too many expenditures to make right now, so a) I don't have the money for an upgrade. b) though, I want a great lens or two, and that will take time to save up for. Eventually I'll go for either a D80 or D200 replacement - if Nikon replaces the D80 with a few cutting-edge features, and especially if that replacement has great high-ISO performance, I want that. Otherwise a D300, maybe, or a D200 if the upgrade is too costly.

Either way, I'll be happy to have a couple of good AF-S lenses already on hand, and the oh-so-compact D40 as a second body. And they tell me I went wrong buying a D40?:rolleyes:

Kellie
08-21-2007, 04:15 PM
No way. I'm still learning my D80! If/when I upgrade in the very distant future, I will probably consider the Fuji S5 or its replacement. :p I'm totally loving my D80, especially now that I'm learning how to use flash properly (thanks, Andy! :D).

K1W1
08-21-2007, 04:39 PM
One thing to keep in mind is that there may be a few good D200's cropping up used on ebay.

e_dawg
08-21-2007, 08:28 PM
Well, if that Japanese source that Eric linked to is right, we'll see the following new lenses:

 AF-S Nikkor 14-24mm F2.8G
 AF-S Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G

 AF-S VR Nikkor 400mm F2.8G
 AF-S VR Nikkor 500mm F4G
 AF-S VR Nikkor 600mm F4G

No 17-55/2.8 VR. Although, why you would need VR on a 2.8 lens that only goes to 55 mm is beyond me. I would apply VR on all the longer and slower zooms first -- the 18-70 and 18-135 come to mind.

If Nikon is going to apply VR to a short zoom, they might try adding it to the 18-55 kit lens to compete with Canon adding IS to their low end 18-55.

No Control
08-21-2007, 08:31 PM
Well, if that Japanese source that Eric linked to is right, we'll see the following new lenses:

 AF-S Nikkor 14-24mm F2.8G
 AF-S Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G

 AF-S VR Nikkor 400mm F2.8G
 AF-S VR Nikkor 500mm F4G
 AF-S VR Nikkor 600mm F4G

No 17-55/2.8 VR. Although, why you would need VR on a 2.8 lens that only goes to 55 mm is beyond me. I would apply VR on all the longer and slower zooms first -- the 18-70 and 18-135 come to mind.

If Nikon is going to apply VR to a short zoom, they might try adding it to the 18-55 kit lens to compete with Canon adding IS to their low end 18-55.

I'm curious, with Nikon already having the 12-24mm f/4, does anyone really need that extra stop at such short focal lengths? Or am I just an ignorant non-pro? :rolleyes:

tekriter
08-21-2007, 08:50 PM
I'm curious, with Nikon already having the 12-24mm f/4, does anyone really need that extra stop at such short focal lengths? Or am I just an ignorant non-pro? :rolleyes:

Well, there are those of us who, if handed an 18 - 200 f2.8 would wish it was an f2.0...

longroad
08-21-2007, 08:58 PM
People with too much money always want the latest and greatest... me, I'll be happy to keep my D80 for another 5 years.

No Control
08-21-2007, 08:58 PM
Well, there are those of us who, if handed an 18 - 200 f2.8 would wish it was an f2.0...

The words "gift horse" come to mind. :p But I hear ya, I hear ya. I do suppose the pros/old men with too much money will drool over that lens.

r3g
08-21-2007, 09:02 PM
Well, if that Japanese source that Eric linked to is right, we'll see the following new lenses:

 AF-S Nikkor 14-24mm F2.8G
 AF-S Nikkor 24-70mm F2.8G

 AF-S VR Nikkor 400mm F2.8G
 AF-S VR Nikkor 500mm F4G
 AF-S VR Nikkor 600mm F4G

No 17-55/2.8 VR. Although, why you would need VR on a 2.8 lens that only goes to 55 mm is beyond me. I would apply VR on all the longer and slower zooms first -- the 18-70 and 18-135 come to mind.

If Nikon is going to apply VR to a short zoom, they might try adding it to the 18-55 kit lens to compete with Canon adding IS to their low end 18-55.


Still no 50mm AF-S :( . Oh well Ive been playing with 50mm and 30mm on my kitlens and I think im going to like 30mm more anyway :cool:

Prospero
08-21-2007, 11:06 PM
In the rumour Eric linked to they said that the D3 would be a full frame camera. The 14-24 f/2.8 would then make a lot of sense. The 12-24 wouldn't work on that camera and the current ultra wide with f/2.8 is "only" 16 mm wide (the 16-35 f/2.8).

erichlund
08-21-2007, 11:38 PM
I'm curious, with Nikon already having the 12-24mm f/4, does anyone really need that extra stop at such short focal lengths? Or am I just an ignorant non-pro? :rolleyes:

The 12-24 is a DX lens. The 14-24 f2.8 doesn't indicate DX anywhere, which makes it an ultra, ultra wide, because it's 14mm rectilinear on a full frame. There are only a few lenses out there that can make that claim.

erichlund
08-21-2007, 11:40 PM
In the rumour Eric linked to they said that the D3 would be a full frame camera. The 14-24 f/2.8 would then make a lot of sense. The 12-24 wouldn't work on that camera and the current ultra wide with f/2.8 is "only" 16 mm wide (the 16-35 f/2.8).

Actually, that's a 17-35 f2.8, but who's counting? ;)

No Control
08-22-2007, 12:30 AM
Ahhh I knew there was something I was missing. Wow what a lens then. I can't imagine having the chance to put that thing on my film slr. I'd be in heaven. :rolleyes:

LR Max
08-22-2007, 09:17 PM
I was trying to replace my D70s for the longest time. Why? I have no idea because its a really, really good camera. Its fairly compact when compared to the D200, it can sync up to 1/500th for flash, and it takes good RAW photos that are at 6MB instead of 14MB (when you shoot 600 photos in RAW, this becomes a great concern). All three are important to me. I really think DSLRs have reached a plateau, where the slightly older models are performing just as good as the newer ones in average/marginal conditions. I was heavily looking at a D2H, but it was just too friggen huge.

I realized I needed to concentrate more on lenses, but thats not really even a concern since I've added two strobes to my setup. I don't take sports photos (we have other photogs that handle such shenanigans) so I don't have to carry around 10 lb huge lenses.

Out of my entire setup, a bogen 3373 compact tripod stand would be perfect to add to my kit. Other than that, and possibly a 50mm f/1.4, I've got an excellent kit :D.

Rooz
08-23-2007, 06:16 AM
well...how about now ? if you were tempted before you must be breathless now !! who's gonna be the first to lay down some cash ? we need a d series owner ffs ! :eek::D

VTEC_EATER
08-23-2007, 07:33 AM
The D300 does sound like one hell of a camera, but I think I will wait until next spring. So that makes my original statement of 1 year down to 9 months.

8 fps with the battery grip sounds amazing. Even 6 fps at 12 megapixles is damn amazing. Holy crap... My computer will need an upgrade soon just to be able to handle the camera.

JBO
08-23-2007, 02:12 PM
I have had the D80 for 4 months now and it will be a long time before I upgrade. When i do it will be for a camera that has a significant increase in megapixels, 17+

LR Max
08-23-2007, 02:20 PM
I just saw the press release on the D300. Wow. It is definately impressive. Extremely impressive.

tcadwall
08-23-2007, 02:22 PM
VTEC... Get the Camera, I just had to get the laptop! I had to use my camera budget to replace a crapping out laptop. But now I am blazing along with Vista 64bit Ultimate. - did I say that? It yet remains to be seen. I have no idea if all of my photo software is going to work on a 64bit platform!!!:eek:

Anyway, if I get this thing working right, then I will have the laptop, you will have the camera. We can both just be jealous of each other.

erichlund
08-23-2007, 02:29 PM
As far as my own plans are concerned, I'm staying with the D200 for the forseeable future. The D200 is still a great camera, and I can't justify $1800 to replace a great working camera. $1600 for a 70-200VR, yes. D300, no.

Now, if I should come into a huge cash influx, that might be a different matter, but not for now.

VTEC_EATER
08-23-2007, 04:12 PM
As far as my own plans are concerned, I'm staying with the D200 for the forseeable future. The D200 is still a great camera, and I can't justify $1800 to replace a great working camera. $1600 for a 70-200VR, yes. D300, no.

Now, if I should come into a huge cash influx, that might be a different matter, but not for now.

See, I already have the 70-200, but my D50 certainly has its drawbacks when compared to a D200, and is basically laughable when compared to the specs of the D300. If $400 is going to be the margin between a new D200 vs. a D300, I'm putting my money into the D300 when I upgrade.

Again, this all depends on the reviews, but my guess would be that the new sensor is probably a better performer than the D200. If the focusing system is equal to that on the D200, I think we (Nikon) are in good shape.

Jason25
08-24-2007, 09:26 AM
One thing to keep in mind is that there may be a few good D200's cropping up used on ebay.

That's exactly what I'll be on the lookout for :) I don't need the D3 or the D300, a nice used D200 will suit me perfectly.


I'm curious, with Nikon already having the 12-24mm f/4, does anyone really need that extra stop at such short focal lengths? Or am I just an ignorant non-pro? :rolleyes:

I could have definitely used f/2.8 at Luray Caverns!

RichNY
08-24-2007, 09:40 AM
Depending on how the reviews on shipping models come out I'm hoping to swap out at least the 30D and EF-S glass for a Nikon with their two new lenses. Perhaps the IIN, 70-200 & 100-400 also.

Sole Shooter
08-24-2007, 09:46 AM
I'm not. I'm happy with my newly acquired D80. Could use a new lens or two but no new body.

erichlund
08-24-2007, 09:50 AM
Depending on how the reviews on shipping models come out I'm hoping to swap out at least the 30D and EF-S glass for a Nikon with their two new lenses. Perhaps the IIN, 70-200 & 100-400 also.

Dude, you've got some brilliant stuff there. Wait it out. There's no point in jumping ship only to find out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I assure you, if they're as good as expected, they'll still be selling them next spring, and they'll have the inevitable bugs worked out.

The piece that tickles me is the 24-70. I love the 17-55, but if the 24-70 is as good as the 28-70, then it nicely fills the 56-69 gap in my collection. Yeah, I know, there's the 18-200, but I only use that for a one lens walk around system. The 24-70 will mesh better with my Tokina 12-24 and my 70-300VR (and, eventually, my 70-200VR). The only thing that worries me is that the 28-70 was called the beast because of all the glass. This is a narrower design, and I wonder if they made some compromises to make it smaller and lighter.

rawpaw18
08-24-2007, 03:08 PM
I think I am in with a D300, noise test results first,
the stats look great on paper but hands on results
are going to have to be a must before I order.

XaiLo
08-24-2007, 05:27 PM
I second that Nikonmation, but darn that D3 is just mighty tempting. I have to keep from reading the specs again for fear of D3tismyne... I tell you:D

really looking forward to the reviews anybody take a look at this demo yet???

Demo (http://www.sony.net/Products/SC-HP/cmos/index.html)

VTEC_EATER
08-24-2007, 05:31 PM
really looking forward to the reviews anybody take a look at this demo yet???



If you can understand Japanese, you may like this:

http://bptv.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/070824/070824133.html

Rooz
08-24-2007, 05:33 PM
here you go X and other D3 hopefuls...

http://www.nikonistas.com/digital/viewer-videos.php?IDN=879

XaiLo
08-24-2007, 05:38 PM
Thanks VTEC_EATER, loosly translated he said, "Xailo is going to luv the D3...run XaiLo run" lol:D

XaiLo
08-24-2007, 05:55 PM
Thanks Rooz, I have to (sniff sniff) wipe the tears from my eyes, he knew my name too;)

britkev
08-24-2007, 06:17 PM
I will confess that some of the D300's numbers do have me salivating, but I still intend to stick to my plan to add a couple of decent lenses to my collection and getting at least another two years out of my D50 before I spend money on another body.

No Control
08-24-2007, 06:24 PM
here you go X and other D3 hopefuls...

http://www.nikonistas.com/digital/viewer-videos.php?IDN=879

My camera geek was definitely showing while I was watching that video clip! Mmm just listen to that shutter click. :D:D

TNB
08-24-2007, 07:49 PM
Upgrade, ya why not. Anyone want to purchase my back-up D50 for $5K, so I can purchase a back-up D3 for my D200? :p

RichNY
08-24-2007, 08:43 PM
Thanks- I am very pleased with the quality of my glass but IMO the bodies leave much to be desired. In any case, I don't plan on being one of the first adopters and will wait until Canon releases its 5D replacement before making any move.

I had been waiting on the 5D replacement to replace the 30D before this announcement. The 30D was a great choice as my first DSLR last year. I would never have considered the 1D Mark IIN back then and the 3fps of the 5D eliminated it because I was going to be shooting hockey.

The 1.3x crop factor of the 1D makes it pretty much useless for anything other than sports or for applications where you don't need wide angle. I keep my 30D for the 10-22 and 17-55 glass. Replacing that camera and glass with a Nikon wouldn't be an issue anymore than going Canon FF and buying the 16-35/24-70 glass and it would be at these focal lengths that I'd be shooting flash where the Nikon has a major advantage.

All things being equal I'll end up switching to a Nikon for the shorter focal lengths. I just seem to 'enjoy' shooting with Nikons more and anything other than the Canon flash will be a major improvement. What I will miss most is having the image stabilized lens that the 17-55 gives me. That's lost going FF with either Canon or Nikon. (Why Nikon didn't include VR on their new 24-70 is beyond me. It would have been another great jump over Canon's 24-70).

I really wouldn't worry about filling the 56-69 gap. A few steps forward fill that gap just fine. I've got the same gap in my lens collection and I can't really say I've ever been wanting for it. (Since adding the IIN I guess that gap went away since the 70-200 is on a 1.3x and the 17-55 is on a 1.6x but I seriously never missed it)



Dude, you've got some brilliant stuff there. Wait it out. There's no point in jumping ship only to find out it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I assure you, if they're as good as expected, they'll still be selling them next spring, and they'll have the inevitable bugs worked out.

The piece that tickles me is the 24-70. I love the 17-55, but if the 24-70 is as good as the 28-70, then it nicely fills the 56-69 gap in my collection. Yeah, I know, there's the 18-200, but I only use that for a one lens walk around system. The 24-70 will mesh better with my Tokina 12-24 and my 70-300VR (and, eventually, my 70-200VR). The only thing that worries me is that the 28-70 was called the beast because of all the glass. This is a narrower design, and I wonder if they made some compromises to make it smaller and lighter.

rawpaw18
08-25-2007, 04:57 AM
I keep reading all the info on the D300, it sounds rediculous.

It has so much in common with the D3, other then the obvious full frame,
I think it is going to really make every one sit up and take notice.
If they have a handle on the noise issue as compared to Canon it is going
to be a big seller.

Gintaras
08-25-2007, 08:38 AM
Rooz, Rebel is NOT crappy but a super camera for anyone who is first time into DSLR... Ask Drama or Jeoff from landscape forum, see their pix and confess...your D80 is unable to take such nice pix...
...........unless you are behind the camera!!! :p

NB: hey, no hard feelings please, i was just pulling your leg. :D:D:D

in my case the idea to upgrade to 40D came since a few weeks as my wife is looking jelously at my XTi each time i use it... she now volunteers to accompany me and look for the right scene angle she thinks can yield a good pix and she is hard reading manual for her SD700IS ;) No joke, my wife is so serious that even our daughter told me i should buy her a DSLR...
but i may keep my XTi still if she will demand D80 instead (because she liked so much D80 in a shop)...which is no problem for me if she wants it. :D

Gintaras
08-25-2007, 09:00 AM
Funnily it happens that Nikon owners admit they wish to have some lenses Canon owners can have…yep.:p

rawpaw18
08-25-2007, 12:03 PM
Dpreview has this about the D3

Optional accessories Wireless Transmitter WT-4, Magnifying Eyepiece DK-17M, AC Adapter EH-6,

Capture NX Software, Camera Control Pro 2 Software, Image Authentication Software


$5000 on a body then no less then $1600 for new lens, and you still can not pry capture NX out of their clutches. Seems a bit tight to me.
Hope it is not bundled with picture project.:rolleyes: