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LoveMyD50
12-20-2005, 07:56 AM
Just got the Nikon D50 (after 30 years using Nikons with film), with additional 55-200 zoom and SB-800 flash. Trying to get the right combination of flash and speed setting to freeze the action in basketball games (seems to default to 1/60th of a second, which isn't quick enough to prevent blurring). Figured out to use Sports setting on the D50 to get constant focus on the subject and to pull out the white card on the top of the flash for nice flash fill. How do I correct for a quicker speed? Can't find it in the manuals. Many thanks for your help.

timmciglobal
12-20-2005, 09:30 AM
Don't use the sports mode.

Use shutter mode and set the speed at whatever you want, and test your setting till you can shoot as fast as possible with good exposure. Probably will require you to set your ISO quite high, 800 or 1600.

To get it to focus continuous go into menu, setup and under "Autofocus" select AF-C.

Tim

LoveMyD50
12-20-2005, 11:04 AM
Thanks. I'll try it at the game tonight.

K1W1
12-20-2005, 01:14 PM
Don't use the mode settings, they default to fairly restrictive parameters. Use A, S or M.

LoveMyD50
01-05-2006, 12:33 PM
At the risk of seeming simple, I looked at the documentation and haven't figured out what settings to change to get the combination that was recommended. My zoom doesn't have speed settings or F stops. Am I able to force my speed without them?

kanderson42
01-31-2006, 10:13 PM
just use your d50 like you have used your film cameras for 30 years. put it in manual mode and youll feel right at home.

kanderson42
01-31-2006, 10:22 PM
oh and your camera syncs at 1/500 so you should be able to get it to go over 1/60. my d2hs has max flash sync speed in the menu, im not sure what the defalt was but its turned up all the way now.

arctic_hawk2003
02-03-2006, 12:36 PM
As silly as this is going to sound, what if I don't have a flash for indoor sports photography?

D70FAN
02-03-2006, 03:15 PM
As silly as this is going to sound, what if I don't have a flash for indoor sports photography?

A long, fast, lens and ISO1600. A 70-200 f/2.8 VR (~$1650) would be nice, but Sigma also makes a good one, without VR, for about $800.;)

The $320 SB800 (has a little more power than the SB600) and may be starting to look pretty good by comparison.

kanderson42
02-04-2006, 08:53 PM
try a 50 mm 1.8 for indoor sports. avoid the sigma 70-200 because you can get the non vr version nikon for only $30 more at bhphotovideo.com

eyelab
02-17-2006, 08:33 AM
You guys talk about jacking up the ISO to 800 or 1600. How do you guys print these pictures? The quality is absolutly horrible. I have a D70, not D50, and my noise is horrible. When I do indoor horse events, I shoot @ 800, 1200 and 1600. I try going as low as of an f-sop as I can (~3), and what tends to happen is A) my focus point is in focus, obviously the horse, jump, etc isn't cause of the shallow DOF. F/2.8 is great, allows more light in, but you obvously loose the fields of depth :(... which is ok I guess if i'm on the side of the rider. B) I get horrible noise. I use noise ninja but the picture noise is so bad, about 70% of my shots can not be printed any bigger then 5x7. Some I can get up to 8x10 if the noise wasn't all that bad, but a majority is horrible noise and makes for printing large prints difficult :(

Basically, Sigma 70-200 f/2.8, ISO 800 (I hate going higher cause noise is horrible), NO FLASH (Scares horses), and I come out with good 5x7 pictures to print. And even some pictures have to be tossed cause its to dark to do anything with. And if I go try getting a bit more in focus (Rider & Horse & Jump or Bar/Pole), I can forget it. Is there something I am not doing right? Or? Is there a better app you guys are using to clean up noise? :(

Also you guys speak of the speed lights (SB600 and such). I use my built in speed light at times when I'm doing portrait shots and such. Big problem is the shadow it creates behind the objects. Its really bad. Will the SB600 take care of this problem?

-- Kevin

D70FAN
02-17-2006, 11:16 AM
try a 50 mm 1.8 for indoor sports. avoid the sigma 70-200 because you can get the non vr version nikon for only $30 more at bhphotovideo.com

Can you post some examples of indoor sports shot with a 50mm f/1.8? That would be last lens that I would have picked for sports shooting, but I'm always willing to try something new. I would think maybe a 135 f/2 or 180 f/2.8...

Why you would advise avoiding the latest Sigma EX 70-200 entry is a mystery to me, but again you can't go wrong with the Nikkor... however...

I think you are talking about the Nikkor 80-200 f/2.8 ED AF-D, as I don't think that there is a current version of a 70-200 f/2.8 without VR. At B&H The USA version of the Nikkor 80-200 is $919, and import version is $849. It is a great lens, but very large and heavy. There is a demo version for $799 (not a bad deal). I have rented this lens several times , and it is a terrific lens.

The latest rendition of the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 EX DG APO HSM lists for $724 at Sigma4Less, and has received very good reviews. I have only "played" with one in a camera store (unfortunately, it's not available to rent) and in my limited hands-on time, I was impressed. The AF is very fast, and accurate, and the results at f/2.8 were as good as the 80-200 (on my D70).

Either lens would be an asset to your kit.

D70FAN
02-17-2006, 11:58 AM
You guys talk about jacking up the ISO to 800 or 1600. How do you guys print these pictures? The quality is absolutly horrible. I have a D70, not D50, and my noise is horrible. When I do indoor horse events, I shoot @ 800, 1200 and 1600. I try going as low as of an f-sop as I can (~3), and what tends to happen is A) my focus point is in focus, obviously the horse, jump, etc isn't cause of the shallow DOF. F/2.8 is great, allows more light in, but you obvously loose the fields of depth :(... which is ok I guess if i'm on the side of the rider. B) I get horrible noise. I use noise ninja but the picture noise is so bad, about 70% of my shots can not be printed any bigger then 5x7. Some I can get up to 8x10 if the noise wasn't all that bad, but a majority is horrible noise and makes for printing large prints difficult :(

I assume that you have the noise profile for the D70 loaded in Noise Ninja.

I have found that even with noise processing, at ISO1600, not every picture is a keeper, but it sounds like you are having a tough time getting any 8x10's. Can you post some shots? Better yet do you have a hosting site for full sized downloadable images?


Basically, Sigma 70-200 f/2.8, ISO 800 (I hate going higher cause noise is horrible), NO FLASH (Scares horses), and I come out with good 5x7 pictures to print. And even some pictures have to be tossed cause its to dark to do anything with. And if I go try getting a bit more in focus (Rider & Horse & Jump or Bar/Pole), I can forget it. Is there something I am not doing right? Or? Is there a better app you guys are using to clean up noise? :(


This is definately a tough subject to shoot, due to DOF requirements. I'm not an indoor sports shooter and I have no experience shooting equestrian events indoors, so hopefully someone else here can help on this.

Maybe back off the telephoto a little, and hand crop later, would help achieve a better apparent DOF at larger apertures. Again I'm just guessing.


Also you guys speak of the speed lights (SB600 and such). I use my built in speed light at times when I'm doing portrait shots and such. Big problem is the shadow it creates behind the objects. Its really bad. Will the SB600 take care of this problem?

-- Kevin

The on board flash is great for shadow fill and family snapshots, but not for good quality portraits, or group shots. The SB600/800 allows multiple angle bounce flash and iTTL metering to achieve more uniform light (greatly reducing shadows and flash overexposure). There are also several add-on diffusors available to soften the light even further.

Since you already have the speedlight Commander control built into your D70 you can get by with an SB600, and even use it as a wireless remote. This allows you to place your (SB600/800) remote flash anywhere, as a remote and have it controlled by the camera.

erichlund
02-17-2006, 12:31 PM
A long, fast, lens and ISO1600. A 70-200 f/2.8 VR (~$1650) would be nice, but Sigma also makes a good one, without VR, for about $800.;)

The $320 SB800 (has a little more power than the SB600) and may be starting to look pretty good by comparison.
Of course, the VR does you absolutely no good for sports, unless you are shooting the losing bench (nice static, depressing view [pain of defeat stuff]).

Speaking of that, remember ABC's Wide World of Sports...the downhill skier careening off the course on his back into the safety net...that's pain of defeat!

Also, the SB800 does you no good when you go to take a photo and they say, please, no flash. Some places won't let you use it.

Still, if you can afford both, that would be an great combo to have in your arsenal. :cool:

D70FAN
02-17-2006, 01:27 PM
Of course, the VR does you absolutely no good for sports, unless you are shooting the losing bench (nice static, depressing view [pain of defeat stuff]).

Speaking of that, remember ABC's Wide World of Sports...the downhill skier careening off the course on his back into the safety net...that's pain of defeat!

Also, the SB800 does you no good when you go to take a photo and they say, please, no flash. Some places won't let you use it.

Still, if you can afford both, that would be an great combo to have in your arsenal. :cool:

Yup, there is no easy answer. If it was easy we wouldn't have anything to talk about.

As I remember that downhiller was seriously injured. Of course without the net he and several spectators would be dead.

I should be getting in the new version of the Sigma 24-70 f/2.8 today so a small part of my shooting dilemas should be fixed. I'll let you know. The 70-200 f/2.8 is next. A little under $1100 for both at Sigma4Less.

jcon
02-17-2006, 03:58 PM
George, let me know your feelings on the Sigma 24-70 after you have played with it for awhile, I am considering this or the nikkor version for weddings. Thanks!

Bullitt
02-22-2006, 11:22 PM
[QUOTE=George Riehm]
The latest rendition of the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 EX DG APO HSM lists for $724 at Sigma4Less, and has received very good reviews. I have only "played" with one in a camera store (unfortunately, it's not available to rent) and in my limited hands-on time, I was impressed. The AF is very fast, and accurate, and the results at f/2.8 were as good as the 80-200 (on my D70).

George,

I am entertaining the idea of purchasing a Sigma 70-200 f2.8 to go along with my present lens, I believe it would be the obvious choice for focal length. Could you tell me what APO HSM means and would all Sigma 70-200 f2.8 lenses have this feature? Thank you in advance for any help on this lens.
Also, what did you mean by the results were as good as the 80-200?

phatkid77
02-23-2006, 04:45 PM
HSM is sigmas version of AF-s....quick and quiet...

i debated the very lens, but went with nikon, because if i didnt i'd wish i did, the VR will be usefull for upcoming weddings or whatever..

i hear the sigma is gr8, buy it and enjoy

cory