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Jim Last
11-08-2005, 01:20 PM
I am looking at entering the DSLR arena and have spent the day trying camera and from that in terms of feel these three are my current favourites for my budget.

My question is what are the main differences in terms of low light focus and operation and feature set

Because all three Nikon's are 6MP I thought that older ones may be better value than the newer ones thoughts?

I know that this onlty the start and that lens choice is paramount. I have looked at the D70s kit lens the 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 DX which seems a lot better than the canon kit lens, but which is a good lens for my listed shooting requirements:

Low light - indoor children, museums and churches
Moving subjects - running children and animals
Architecture and buildings as well as some landscapes

I will mainly use these images on the web and upto A4 but on occation may wish to reproduce at A3/A2.

I am also looking to add an external flash, which of Nikon's are good and also offer value for money.

Any help and suggestions will be greatfully received.

K1W1
11-08-2005, 01:41 PM
Personally I'd go D50 with the 18-70 kit lens and a SB600 Flash.
Others will disagree I'm sure but the D50 has the best out of the camera images (less post processing involved) for people who really just want to take photo's as memories rather than art works. The 18-70 lens has proved reliable and very good image wise and covers a 35mm focal length of approximately 27 - 105 which is more than enough for most of the situaltions you mentioned. After a while you may settle on another lens or lenses when you work out exactly where your photography takes you. The SB600 will again cover virtually all the situations you require.

D70FAN
11-08-2005, 02:41 PM
K1W1's suggestion sounds like a winning combo.

The D70, Sigma 18-125 DC and SB800 were my choices, but that's just me.

The Nikkor 18-70 DX lens that was kitted with my D70 (in March 2004) was a terrific lens, but just a little too short on the tele end for my needs.

Before you run out and buy the Sigma 18-125: Focus is noisy, but quick and accurate. Picture quality is as good as the Nikkor 18-70 DX. Build quality is almost as good, but you will have to watch for vignetting (dark corners) at some focal length and aperture settings. I shoot in NEF so it's no big deal to remove vignetting in Nikon Capture 4 ($99).

I actually use the SB800 Remote Commander and PC connector functions from time-to-time, but, most people will never need these functions so the SB600 should suffice.

Be aware that Nikkor (Nikons lens division) is releasing a new 18-200 AF-s DX VR lens in December for around $700-$900 (I've seen it posted for $669 on Ken Rockwells site). It's moderately expensive but, if it's half as good as the sample photos, it will be the day-to-day utility lens of the decade.

Here is a good site for Nikon info and may help with your choices:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech.htm

I agree with about 90% of Kens opinions and from personal experience trust his lens reviews.

Rex914
11-08-2005, 04:51 PM
Be aware that Nikkor (Nikons lens division) is releasing a new 18-200 AF-s DX VR lens in December for around $700-$900 (I've seen it posted for $669 on Ken Rockwells site). It's moderately expensive but, if it's half as good as the sample photos, it will be the day-to-day utility lens of the decade.

If the sample photos are telling the truth, I may pick one up myself in the future as the ultimate travel/vacation lens. Might also work in a pinch in concerts/symphonies when I want to be a tad bit more discreet than carrying in a big telephoto or more practical than sticking to a prime.

D70FAN
11-08-2005, 08:58 PM
If the sample photos are telling the truth, I may pick one up myself in the future as the ultimate travel/vacation lens. Might also work in a pinch in concerts/symphonies when I want to be a tad bit more discreet than carrying in a big telephoto or more practical than sticking to a prime.

Rex, Good news... it really is posted on the Adorama site for $669.

http://www.adorama.com/NK18200DXU.html?sid=11315086363288846

Rex914
11-08-2005, 09:45 PM
That's good news indeed. Thanks for the link!

erichlund
11-09-2005, 10:26 AM
If the sample photos are telling the truth, I may pick one up myself in the future as the ultimate travel/vacation lens. Might also work in a pinch in concerts/symphonies when I want to be a tad bit more discreet than carrying in a big telephoto or more practical than sticking to a prime.
I like it, but discreet? Have you seen how far that lens extends in telephoto?:)

Cheers,
Eric

Jim Last
11-10-2005, 09:37 AM
Thanks guys for your input, I have, at last, reached a choice:)

I have gone with:

Nikon D70s
Nikon 18-70mm f3.5-4.5 DX IF-ED
SB600 Speedlight
Nikon EN-EL3A Battery
Hoya 67mm SHMC Pro1 UV Filter

All new for under £950 ($1,600) don't know how this fairs to the US but is quite keen in the UK. Could just about get a Canon 20D with 18-55 kit lens for the same price! So gain an extra battery, quality flashgun, filter and a far better lens at no real cost.

I will probably also look to get with the 50mm f1.4D AF or f1.8D AF, been told to look out for a used one for the f1.4 and made in Japan and not China as the older version has metal filter threads as opposed to plastic on the newer ones.

Also interested in finding out others experience with the older Nikon 70-210mm f4-5.6D versus the upto date Nikon 70-300 f4-5.6 G AF.

In terms of Macro how does the Nikon 18-70 fairset to 60mm compared with the prime 60mm f2.8 D AF MICRO?

Anyway it should be with me by lunch tomorrow:D

D70FAN
11-10-2005, 10:47 AM
Thanks guys for your input, I have, at last, reached a choice:)

I have gone with:

Nikon D70s
Nikon 18-70mm f3.5-4.5 DX IF-ED
SB600 Speedlight
Nikon EN-EL3A Battery
Hoya 67mm SHMC Pro1 UV Filter

All new for under 950 ($1,600) don't know how this fairs to the US but is quite keen in the UK. Could just about get a Canon 20D with 18-55 kit lens for the same price! So gain an extra battery, quality flashgun, filter and a far better lens at no real cost.

Compared to US prices, from a reputable source, about the same. Pretty good deal.


I will probably also look to get with the 50mm f1.4D AF or f1.8D AF, been told to look out for a used one for the f1.4 and made in Japan and not China as the older version has metal filter threads as opposed to plastic on the newer ones.

Go with the 1.8. Unlike Canon the difference is truely marginal. I sold my f/1.4 quite a while ago as the f/1.8 seemd to have equal or better color and contrast. I have had both the Japan and China versions and see no difference in real build quality. As to the plastic threads, how many fast filter changes are you planning?



Also interested in finding out others experience with the older Nikon 70-210mm f4-5.6D versus the upto date Nikon 70-300 f4-5.6 G AF.

If you want a decent low-cost long tele, go with the Sigma 70-300 APO. The Nikkors are not as good and cost more.



In terms of Macro how does the Nikon 18-70 fairset to 60mm compared with the prime 60mm f2.8 D AF MICRO?

The 18-70 is a nice lens, but it is not even close to being a macro. I haven't used the D70 for macro, as I still have my CP990 for that function. But the 60mm f/2.8 is a 1:1 macro, so it should work fine.



Anyway it should be with me by lunch tomorrow:D

And the adventure begins...

Jim Last
11-10-2005, 10:56 AM
Would the 60mm macro work ok for general low light stuff as well? My save me dropping 100 for the 50mm which can go towards the 60mm macro.

D70FAN
11-10-2005, 01:49 PM
Would the 60mm macro work ok for general low light stuff as well? May save me dropping 100 for the 50mm which can go towards the 60mm macro.

Since you have an immediate usage for the macro function you will probably end up using the 60mm f/2.8 more frequently anyway. I don't have any experience with the 60, but commnets have been generally positive. You can always get the 50mm f1.8 later if you need it.

Jason25
11-10-2005, 02:52 PM
Congrats on your D70s!

I'm very heavily considering a D50. I currently have a Sony H1, but am really drawn to the D50 for higher ISO performance and speed!

D70FAN
11-10-2005, 03:13 PM
Congrats on your D70s!

I'm very heavily considering a D50. I currently have a Sony H1, but am really drawn to the D50 for higher ISO performance and speed!

Welcome (almost). I have been following your posts on the general dSLR boards. The D50 is a nifty little camera, and certainly a low-cost way to get into dSLR's.

murrays
11-10-2005, 03:27 PM
Thanks guys for your input, I have, at last, reached a choice:)

I have gone with:

Nikon D70s
Nikon 18-70mm f3.5-4.5 DX IF-ED
SB600 Speedlight
Nikon EN-EL3A Battery
Hoya 67mm SHMC Pro1 UV Filter

Almost the same as I have except I probably have a cheaper filter and I skipped the battery. I've found that I can shoot for hundreds of pictures and not run low on power with one battery and recharge time is short. I thought I would wait and see. OTOH, if you're away from power for a long time, an extra battery is good.

-murray

murrays
11-10-2005, 03:30 PM
The 18-70 is a nice lens, but it is not even close to being a macro. I haven't used the D70 for macro, as I still have my CP990 for that function. But the 60mm f/2.8 is a 1:1 macro, so it should work fine.

I eBayed my CP990 for $226 last week http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560620359&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1

I was surprised at how much I could get for a 5+ yo camera! I got another $80 for the flash bracket and SB-22 flash.

-murray

Jason25
11-10-2005, 05:01 PM
Welcome (almost). I have been following your posts on the general dSLR boards. The D50 is a nifty little camera, and certainly a low-cost way to get into dSLR's.
Thanks! (almost :D ) I've also been looking at the E500, *ist DS, and KM 5D, but the D50 really strikes me with the image quality and higher ISO performance. The build quality and feel of the XT is awful (to me), so it's out.

D70FAN
11-10-2005, 05:56 PM
I eBayed my CP990 for $226 last week http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7560620359&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESO%3AIT&rd=1

I was surprised at how much I could get for a 5+ yo camera! I got another $80 for the flash bracket and SB-22 flash.

-murray

That's why it was Time Magazines machine of the year in 2000. Still going.

P.S. I still have my CP900 as well.

Jim Last
11-11-2005, 10:47 AM
Well it has arrived:)
Boy does 2 hours seem a long time:rolleyes:
But eventually it passed and I now have a fulling charge and ready to go D70s.
Trouble is it is now pitch dark outside so I guess it will have to wait till tomorrow.

Think I'll speand some time (days) reading the manual;)

erichlund
11-11-2005, 01:39 PM
Well it has arrived:)
Boy does 2 hours seem a long time:rolleyes:
But eventually it passed and I now have a fulling charge and ready to go D70s.
Trouble is it is not pitch dark outside so I guess it will have to wait till tomorrow.

Think I'll speand some time (days) reading the manual;)
That's what the flash is for.;)
Cheers,
Eric

Jim Last
11-11-2005, 04:26 PM
Arhh :eek: BRIGHT LIGHT:cool:

D2X
11-16-2005, 12:38 AM
K1W1's suggestion sounds like a winning combo.

The D70, Sigma 18-125 DC and SB800 were my choices, but that's just me.

The Nikkor 18-70 DX lens that was kitted with my D70 (in March 2004) was a terrific lens, but just a little too short on the tele end for my needs.

Before you run out and buy the Sigma 18-125: Focus is noisy, but quick and accurate. Picture quality is as good as the Nikkor 18-70 DX. Build quality is almost as good, but you will have to watch for vignetting (dark corners) at some focal length and aperture settings. I shoot in NEF so it's no big deal to remove vignetting in Nikon Capture 4 ($99).

I actually use the SB800 Remote Commander and PC connector functions from time-to-time, but, most people will never need these functions so the SB600 should suffice.

Be aware that Nikkor (Nikons lens division) is releasing a new 18-200 AF-s DX VR lens in December for around $700-$900 (I've seen it posted for $669 on Ken Rockwells site). It's moderately expensive but,

"if it's half as good as the sample photos", it will be the day-to-day utility lens of the decade.

Here is a good site for Nikon info and may help with your choices:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech.htm

I agree with about 90% of Kens opinions and from personal experience trust his lens reviews.

I've seen lots of official Nikon shots of the lens, but non taken from the lens itself? I had the nikon 28 - 200 G, it was awful at anything under f10. I'd hope this new VR will be optically a lot better than the above.

K1W1
11-16-2005, 01:33 AM
I've seen lots of official Nikon shots of the lens, but non taken from the lens itself? I had the nikon 28 - 200 G, it was awful at anything under f10. I'd hope this new VR will be optically a lot better than the above.

You could start by looking at this thread.
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13814