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kezs
09-27-2005, 02:00 PM
hey there.

nikon currently has 3 consumer level dslr's in the market. the d50, the d70 and the d70s, all three of them 6mp. do you guys think they're releasing something like a 8mp soon? and how do you think the prices for the current models are gonna evolve during the next few months, even without considering the release of a new dslr?

the d50 (body) is currently available at around 575 USD in trusted web dealers. I'm thinking of buying this one, but wouldn't mind waiting around 6 months or more for a good deal...

Kenyada
09-27-2005, 03:03 PM
I think Nikon will hold off, to go higher than 8MP for the ProConsumer, and stay confortably at 6.1MP waiting for the mass market to catch up. The mass market is printing 4x6 to 8x10, and for those sizes anything above 5MP is great. It seems that if Nikon was gonna go for the 8MP, rather than make 6.1 more affordable, they would have done it this year. I see them expanding their base dSLR market, and making a big splash next year with an "affordable" 10- or 12MP model next Fall.

But what do I know... I'm speculating with Monopoly money :D

D70FAN
09-27-2005, 07:07 PM
hey there.

nikon currently has 3 consumer level dslr's in the market. the d50, the d70 and the d70s, all three of them 6mp. do you guys think they're releasing something like a 8mp soon? and how do you think the prices for the current models are gonna evolve during the next few months, even without considering the release of a new dslr?

the d50 (body) is currently available at around 575 USD in trusted web dealers. I'm thinking of buying this one, but wouldn't mind waiting around 6 months or more for a good deal...

There is truely so little difference between 6MP and 8MP that I don't see Nikon introducing a new camera with less than 12MP. We have seen some purposely leaked info on the 12.4MP 200D, and speculation run rampant on a sub-$2000 price. I'm thinking $2499 as that is about half the cost of the D2X and over twice the cost of the D70s. However, I wouldn't mind being pleasantly surprised by a $1999 tag.

I know that we would all like to see the 10.4MP R-1 sensor in a replacement for the D70s, but I'm not sure that the Nikon/Sony agreements cover that sensor for Nikon use.

The D50 (body) is currently priced at $649 and the D70s at $899. Expect some $50 and $100 rebates toward Christmas, with some lens deals as well.

Nikon may not be the fastest on the block, but the dSLR's are worth the wait. ;)

NEL
09-27-2005, 08:18 PM
Off-cause, I just bought D50. Which means the price will go down next week or so :D
Always happens to me...

kezs
09-27-2005, 08:38 PM
NEL: I think we suffer from the same bad timing ;)

Kenyada: it's a fact that the difference between 6 and 8mp is small. I actually think they should stop measuring resolution by total pixels and start using vertical pixels, for instance. so 1.5:1 6mp means 3k and 8mp means 3.45k. not that big a difference... so I agree that we could expect something around 10mp - err, I mean, 3.89k ;) - from nikon, and they'd prolly take their time.

george: you're prolly right too. the next nikon dslr release shouldn't be close enough to d50/70 to lower their prices in a stroke. about using the 10mp R1 sensor... isn't that one a bit smaller? just a thought. by the way, I hear R1 isn't that great at 100%. then again, it's 3.89k pixels, so they can afford that.

thanks for the replies, folks. I'm thinking I'll wait till christmas rebates and go for the D50. NEL, let me know how yours turns out!

K1W1
09-28-2005, 06:25 AM
the d50 (body) is currently available at around 575 USD in trusted web dealers. I'm thinking of buying this one, but wouldn't mind waiting around 6 months or more for a good deal...

I'm taking around 1000 pics per month, 6 months = 6000 pics. If 1% of them were keepers I'd miss out on 60 worthwhile images and immeasurable enjoyment whilst waiting to save maybe $50. That's about 80 cents per keeper.
I'm glad I have my camera now.

D70FAN
09-28-2005, 07:07 AM
Off-cause, I just bought D50. Which means the price will go down next week or so :D
Always happens to me...

If you paid $649 (for the body) then you probably got the lowest price for a while. ;)

D70FAN
09-28-2005, 07:16 AM
george: you're prolly right too. the next nikon dslr release shouldn't be close enough to d50/70 to lower their prices in a stroke. about using the 10mp R1 sensor... isn't that one a bit smaller? just a thought. by the way, I hear R1 isn't that great at 100%. then again, it's 3.89k pixels, so they can afford that.


A good additional point, as I doubt Nikon would introduce a dSLR with a 1.68X crop factor sensor. The pictures I've seen posted here look pretty good. That's not an endorsement of the R-1, but it is an interesting, if overpriced, hybrid.

Balrog
09-28-2005, 10:35 AM
Any ideas as to when CMOS will start showing up in the consumer dSLRs? (besides Canon's, of course)

D70FAN
09-28-2005, 11:00 AM
Any ideas as to when CMOS will start showing up in the consumer dSLRs? (besides Canon's, of course)

With Sony Semiconductor entering the CMOS sensor market, you may see a prosumer CMOS sensored camera in the next 6 months (ala D200?). And while the R-1 is not quite a dSLR it shows Sony is moving the technology into the mainstream.

goletitout
09-28-2005, 04:21 PM
I also think the R1 pics look really good, but : at ISO1600, they´re considerably noisier than the D50´s. And ISO3200 looks bad, especially if viewed at 100%.

kezs
09-28-2005, 09:17 PM
I'm taking around 1000 pics per month, 6 months = 6000 pics. If 1% of them were keepers I'd miss out on 60 worthwhile images and immeasurable enjoyment whilst waiting to save maybe $50. That's about 80 cents per keeper.
I'm glad I have my camera now.


hahaha

that's a very good point.

I only shoot about 300 a month, roughly, but even at 25 dollars per keeper I think it's still worth it. the thing is, I'm from brazil and I'm having someone buy it for me in the US, and they're only coming here in december. so I'll stick to my digital p&s and I'll finish up the 30,5m of b&w film I just bought for my regular slr... :D

Rex914
09-28-2005, 09:48 PM
I also think the R1 pics look really good, but : at ISO1600, they´re considerably noisier than the D50´s. And ISO3200 looks bad, especially if viewed at 100%.

True, but compared to any fixed lens camera, there's just no comparison. As soon as the price on this dips down a couple hundred, it should readily smack those $700 ultrazooms in the back.

D70FAN
09-29-2005, 07:41 AM
I also think the R1 pics look really good, but : at ISO1600, they´re considerably noisier than the D50´s. And ISO3200 looks bad, especially if viewed at 100%.

I guess that's why Noise Ninja (PictureCode) is in business. ;)

vipros
10-02-2005, 08:13 PM
hey there.
I'm thinking of buying this one, but wouldn't mind waiting around 6 months or more for a good deal...

Products like Nikon won't never allow the dealer to drop the price too much. After 6 months, there just will be another model at same level price.