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Old 08-05-2004, 01:33 PM
wsayers wsayers is offline
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Just a warning to all those people who are thinking of buying a digital camera whilst on holiday.

There are those companies out there who are willing to give you a very good deal and those who are definitely out there to con you for verything they can squeeze out of you.

Whilst on holiday you are usually in a positive state of mind and quite possibly not on your guard against those sharks.

This is a story to warn you of what can happen and to warn you against one particular store.

The Store:

Global Camera Gallery in Orlando and Kissimmee
11025 International Drive
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The Shoppes at Vista Del Lago
8681 W. 192

What happened:

I went into the store enquiring about a particular camera:

A Sony DSC-W1. I had been quoted a price of $450.00 by another store. They asked if I had been quoted a price and I told them the price. They came back with a price of $395.00. This was a very good price. I deliberated for a while and decided to purchase the camera. Immediately, I was told to wait and was passed on to another sales person. He approached me and asked me if I had considered any other camera and proceeded to tell me of all the bad points of the Sony camera.

He then showed me a different camera:

A Nikon Coolpix 5200. He told me of the advantages of this camera over and above the Sony. He said that Nikon were manufacturers of quality "cameras" where as Sony were known for their quality in TV's and NOT cameras. He demonstrated some of the advantages of the Nikon camera.

Now here is the rub! Having been led into a false sense of security by being given a VERY good price for the Sony W1 I was given a price for the Nikon which he stated was 30% off the MRP of approximately $1130.00. This translated to $792.00 - a little more than I wanted to pay. After some discussion I decided to leave. He then offered to swap my Sony memory sticks for SD memory and download my existing pictures (I already had an old Sony DSC-P1). Again I tried to leave and he offered me a free case.

I wanted to check on the price on the camera from some other outlets and giving the excuse that I would return with the memory sticks to do the swap I said I would leave.

At this point he stopped me and offered a further 12.5% discount bringing the price down to $692.00.

Call it greed, incompetance, not on my guard having been lured into a false sense of security or simply a rush to purchase due to a combination of all of the above I agreed to the purchase.

With hindsight I now realise why he fell over himself to help me. He even gave me a free CD to take to his other store (much closer to my apartment in Kissimmee) to help them download my pictures.

He then prepared the receipt. Here is the, what I call, true deceipt within the transaction. Whether it is legal or not, at the moment, I am not sure. However, he said even though he was supposedly giving me the case and memory free he needed to put down a price against each item for his manager. He put the marked price of the case and a charge of $75.00 to convert the memory. This then adjusted the price of the camera down to $525.00. I stupidly signed this receipt and left with the goods.

As I left the store, I heard the two salesmen laugh. At the time I thought they had heard something funny on the TV. I now realise they were laughing at me - and for very good reason. I had been "fleeced" good and proper.

When I returned to "swap" the memory I had realised, in part, of the deception. At that stage I hadn't realised the extent of the deceipt. I tried to re-negotiate with the same saleman.

He then told me that they didn't countenance returns as, although he didn't think, "I was the type of person to do so", they had to protect themselves from those customers who just tried to use a camera for a few days and then give it back on some false pretext. Anyway I had signed the receipt and didn't I realise the terms of the contract.

I then tried to argue that the price was much higher than other stores. His reply was that they were competative with some cameras and not so much with other makes - Nikon obviously being one of them.

He then proceeded to tell me that the deal was a "complete package". This was to back his arguments that I had received a good deal. Later in the same conversation he stated that I had received the case and memory exchange free of charge - again that was to back his arguments against my later comments. He was totally contradicting himself throughout the conversation.

There are other points which I am now sure were part of the overall scam. He said that he would put the camera and all its accessories together for me. He said that I surely didn't want to pay the VAT on my return - did I!!!??? Whether I did or not was surely not his concern but he said it anyway. In so doing he opened each plastic container and bag and threw it away. At the end he said, "Do you want the box?" Seeing a completely empty shell I simply said no and he dramatically threw it over his shoulder behind the counter.

Facts are these:
  • The marked MRP on the camera as stated by Global Camera Gallery was $1130.00
[list]Price watch ranges from $499.00 down to $377.18
  • To wet my appetite they offered a 30% reduction. This made the price $792.00
  • They told me my original choice, the Sony DSC-W1, was a much worse camera - subjective I know but the reviews I have read since seem to disagree.
  • To stop me walking out of the store they offered a further 12.5% bringing the camera down to $692.00
  • They threw in a "free" case and a "free" memory swap - and then put down the full prices on the receipt seemingly reducing the camera price to $525.00
  • They threw away all the packaging not mentioning that the receipt said they would charge a 30% re-stocking fee if all the packaging was not present - that was only if the item was defective.

At the end of the day I have been scammed, deceived by a, in my opinion, a crooked firm who will, I am sure prey on any unsuspecting customer.

In some respects it has put a shadow against ALL camera retailers as I can never be sure that a salesman is telling me the truth.

Therefore PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE research your purchase first.
DO NOT jump at the very first deal unless you have done the research first.

I have been preyed upon - PLEASE DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN TO YOU.
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Old 08-23-2004, 09:44 PM
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Dont beat yourself up over it - its easy to be taken in in the heat of the moment, especially when youre not expecting it. I cant believe they wouldnt refund the money though, sounds like a very dubious business.
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Old 08-24-2004, 07:50 AM
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I'm sorry to say that we were duped by exactly the same store - the salesman was called Eli!

The story is exactly the same except we went in enquiring about the Sony Cybershot DSC T1 for which we were given a price of $429 - which sounded excellent value. However, he again gave the spiel about Sony not being best for cameras and lenses and pointed us to the Fuji Finepix A340 against which he gave a retail price of $799. He then discounted this by 25% and then an extra 20% and finally when we didn't bite (though he saw we were tempted)he threw in a case and 64MB memory card for free (retailing at another $200 he said). We took the package for $499 as it sounded a great deal against the initial price and again we had been lured into a false sense of security by the original price he'd given on the Sony. We also signed an altered receipt and let him throw away the packaging!

On returning to the UK we found the exact same camera retailing in Argos for £179 and have since found it on the web for £129 - with the memory card being only £25 and the case about £20 we've been duped out of a considerable amount of money.

We phoned Eli from the UK but he still insisted that that was the US retail price and we had got a good deal which was absolute rubbish. We managed to get another 64MB memory card out of him which my parents picked up for me as they were still out there but that was all he would do. All in all we've still lost approximately £100.

In hindsight he played on the fact that we hadn't done any research and were looking to be advised. My partner and I are both intelligent individuals but didn't expect to be taken advantage of in such a reputable looking shop.

We are now planning on posting this information as far and wide as we can and also faxing him with any other complaints we find together with a note that we are looking into the legality of his business practices!

If anyone's had any other experiences with this retailer please let me know.
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Old 08-24-2004, 09:46 AM
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I often wonder whether these messages are really genuine.

It seems to me that once-bitten, twice-shy would apply. This is the kind of experience that happens once in a lifetime and no more. It's such a commonplace story I'm amazed people get caught out by it. A salesman is the last person who I would go to for advice based purely on the fact he's there to shift boxes, not to render accurate or helpful advice.

Having said that, it would seem that the sensible thing would be to move on.

Threatening to sue a shop will just cause the shop great mirth. They'll laugh their socks off at such threats. If you're going to sue then sue but for under about five hundred quid it's not worth the effort. Besides, how would that be achieved when you live in Britain and they are in America? A court appearance would mean airfare and so on. There's no telling what lunatic anti-consumer legislation the shop will come up with and no telling whether they'll have already bought the judge.

Starting by naming names etc as has already been done puts the claimant in a weak position as the previous posting could be considered libellous. My advice would be to write it down to experience and don't fall for it again.
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Old 08-24-2004, 11:10 AM
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Perhaps this is yet another reason to take your time studying all the data and prices in detail on the internet. Then after you are confident that you have made the very best decision, make the purchase. It is a longer process, but it does eliminate some of the pitfalls described above.

Sarah Joyce
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Old 09-16-2004, 05:07 PM
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As in my other post in this thread - didn't spot this one before I posted.

I had a similar experience with Web Camera when buying a Sigma 28-300 lense for my Canon Digital rebel.

They used all the same tricks of discounts and deals and then the same technique of marking off the prices against all the parts. I was horrified when I realised what had happened to me.

i'm just glad my $400 rip off (~£250) tought me a lesson... just an expensive course really.

Great thing about the web is that google will pick this stuff up and help spread the word... but i think it needs to happen to you for you to take notice. Ironicly earlier that day I recounted a story of my dad getting ripped off by street traders.

Just don't buy any thing from Web Camera unless you know you are paying a good price.

Its so hard not to let rip :-)
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Old 10-24-2004, 04:25 PM
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Also been had but this time by Oren(?) at the same store. Went on holiday not really thinking I would get a camera and so did no research, My Wife decided she would get me a camera as it would be so much cheaper than at home.

We actually got quoted a good price on the camera (A Nikon D70), but then fell big time for the spiel about "the finest lenses, specially designed for digital SLR's" - because they are so new and expensive we will even throw in the camera for free!! - Should have realised at this point that something stank, the price quoted was about ten times what the lenses were actually worth, add to that the vastly overpriced memory and uv filters and you see the size of the rip off - over paid by something to the tune of $1000, closer to $1600 if you look around for the cheapest available of the branded items!

If I could warn people against this store I would do it any way possible and hope that they would try to sue.

What should have been an amazing birthday present just ended up leaving a bitter taste in our mouths. And the stores justification when we called ........
"but doesn't it take fantastic pictures, that is the price we charge for quality, we have back orders so the price reflects this"

STAY AWAY FROM THESE PARASITES!!
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Old 12-29-2004, 05:03 PM
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My parents had the same happen to them as Helena, same camera deal, same salesman, except they paid $811 for package. Have seen on web, camera alone $134.

We are all going back in March and we will not be a happy bunch, when we go to visit these conartists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for Rhys response to these e-mails, I am sure if the same had happened to him, he would not be as blase as his message.

There must be plenty more people who have been conned by Eli, who was stupid enough to put his name on the receipt and we are as sure as hell not going to let them get a way with it!
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Old 12-29-2004, 08:16 PM
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As for Rhys response to these e-mails, I am sure if the same had happened to him, he would not be as blase as his message.

Blase? That's not blase - that is real life. There are two kinds of people in this world - those that do, and those that let things be done to them. It's not hard to figure out which group you belong to.

There must be plenty more people who have been conned by Eli, who was stupid enough to put his name on the receipt and we are as sure as hell not going to let them get a way with it!

That's funny! What are you going to do - run in and demand your money back? I'll be able to hear the laughter way over here in Texas. They already *have* gotten away with it - you've just not realized it yet.....
happy holidays,
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Old 03-16-2005, 02:19 AM
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Default We Were Conned In Florida By Camera Express Inc

Beware of Sharks that feed off Holiday Makers
WE WERE CONNED IN FLORIDA BY

Camera Express Inc
7544 West Irlo Bronson Hwy 192, Kissimmee
FL 34747 Ph 407-421-6680.





Our family from Dublin Ireland arrived in Orlando Florida for a dream holiday for 2 weeks on 16th Feb. 2004. Everyone in Orlando was friendly and welcoming but this all changed when we purchased a camera from Camera Express Inc.



The salesman and assistants lied about the camera and accessories (we have a 2 page fax of details to our credit card company – see separate page). More seriously they also blatantly OVER charged sales tax of $300 on a supposed $900 purchase (the camera and accessories were only worth half that around $450 - we were overcharged by double on the equipment as well!!) having us sign a credit card docket for $1200. In Ireland we are used to 21% VAT Value Added Tax in Ireland and we did not query the Sales Tax at point of sale as we were told we would get $175 tax back at the airport!! (A lie!) We were not given an itemized sales docket with tax added but just a total figure saying tax incl. In fact the merchant had added a whopping 30% and we discovered later that Sales Tax in Florida is only one third what it is in Ireland
I put all the detail on a website
http://homepage.eircom.net/~finamco...0web%20site.htm
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