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Old 05-21-2006, 11:20 PM
Raining Upwards Raining Upwards is offline
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Default Kodak v570/v610 VS Panasonic TZ1 ((studying abroad..need help))

Hello! I'm a college student who will be leaving in two weeks to study abroad in London this summer. Next summer, I will be studying abroad in Thailand and Vietnam. Hence, i'll be doing a bit of traveling in the next two years. Because i'll be on my feet often, I want a camera which lacks bulkiness and that I can carry around the entire day with ease. I want an ultracompact digital camera that will best suffice my needs. I also would like photography to become a hobby of mine in the near future.

I first became interested in the Kodak V570 and the Kodak V610 because of their panoramic options. However my reservation with these are their "average" picture quality which I am coming across in reviews.

In other reviews,it seems that cameras such as the Panasonic TZ1 have better picture quality but lack the panoramic options and seem bulkier.

In sum, I want a camera around $400 dollars that can be easilly carried around on a daily basis, have great picture quality, and etc.

Are the panoramic Kodak models really that inferior to the bulkier TZ1-like cameras?

Please give me some additional insight as I want to purchase the best camera for my money and needs.

Thanks!
-Todd A

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Old 05-23-2006, 07:50 AM
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The TZ1 is considered a "compact" camera. It's not in that "sub-compact" class like the canon elph, sony "t" series, casio exilim, etc. i like this site because each review has comparative camera measurements (dimensions, weight).

if you can do w/o the zoom, you may want to consider a camera like the Fuji F30 which will be released shortly.

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Old 05-23-2006, 07:56 AM
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The V570 only has 5x zoom and got a mixed review here. The V610 has 10x zoom but IS for video only. The TZ1 has 10x zoom with IS. It's not bulky compared to most zoom cameras and it costs less than the Kodaks.

The TZ1 sounds best to me but I can't comment on photo quality among your options. The TZ1 review here is due by the end of May and the V610 review is #4 on the June list. It sounds like you can wait until at least the TZ1 review to decide.

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Old 05-23-2006, 05:39 PM
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Default Pany TZ1 Photos

You may want to check out John Reed's site of photos taken with the Pany TZ1 (Tizzy)...

http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/2/64362467


http://john-reed.smugmug.com/gallery/1357189/1

There has been a thread at DPR w/many Tizzy owners posting their TZ1 photos at:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=18541351

A good post w/recent TZ1 landscape photos are at:
http://www.dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19926
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:01 AM
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Hello! I'm a college student who will be leaving in two weeks to study abroad in London this summer. Next summer, I will be studying abroad in Thailand and Vietnam. Hence, i'll be doing a bit of traveling in the next two years. Because i'll be on my feet often, I want a camera which lacks bulkiness and that I can carry around the entire day with ease. I want an ultracompact digital camera that will best suffice my needs. I also would like photography to become a hobby of mine in the near future.

I first became interested in the Kodak V570 and the Kodak V610 because of their panoramic options. However my reservation with these are their "average" picture quality which I am coming across in reviews.

In other reviews,it seems that cameras such as the Panasonic TZ1 have better picture quality but lack the panoramic options and seem bulkier.

In sum, I want a camera around $400 dollars that can be easilly carried around on a daily basis, have great picture quality, and etc.

Are the panoramic Kodak models really that inferior to the bulkier TZ1-like cameras?

Please give me some additional insight as I want to purchase the best camera for my money and needs.

Thanks!
-Todd A
Everyone wants the best camera for their money, that's a given, but it seems to me you have very vague needs and you may buying into specs, into marketing and wanting something that is likely overkill.

Like me give you an example you say you want good image quality. Yeah, sure, an obvious quality for taking pictures. But what will do with your photos? Crop them on your computer and zoom in to get tiny little details? Spend big money to print out posters and large photos?
I doubt it.

Most likely, you want pics to dump on your computer, photos you will look at zoomed out most of the time on your computer and photos printed out in 4x6 format. The truth of the matter is 95% of cameras from all major manufacturers can deliver this and you won't be able to tell the difference. So in other words, I am telling you to forget about image quality.

I am not exactly sure why you set on your sights on these 3 individual cameras, but it seems to me you want something relatively small. Ok, so, what really sets these camera apart and most importantly, why would it matter for an amateur photographer with little experience.

OIS really matters the more zoom you have. Obviously, this is more of an issue with the TZ1 and V610. So between both cameras, it's a trade-off. Do you want a small, high zoom camera you can carry everywhere or are you willing to have something a bit bigger and heavier with OIS to compensate for shaky hands and a lack of a tripod that the TZ1 offers. If you are leaning on the latter, you also have to ask yourself why you couldn't get a more normal size camera with the same kind of zoom and OIS.

As for the V570, the attraction is really the wide angle lens versus the other cameras you listed. Why would a wide angle lens be useful to you? Well, you can cram more stuff in pictures. That is particularly useful when taking photos indoors, where you can't always walk backwards to get the right framing. It can also help in city settings, photographing buildings outside in a cramped, urban environment. The V610 has the same panoramic feature, but the wide angle lens of the V570 can create larger panos, at almost 180 degrees. If you like taking pictures of landscape, this is definitely a plus.
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Old 05-24-2006, 11:59 AM
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Default Reviews of Kodak V610

http://www.photographyblog.com/revie...share_v610.php
http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/review3544.html
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1963866,00.asp
http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/con...ra-Review-.htm

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Old 06-02-2006, 11:09 AM
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I have used all three mentioned cameras. I converted from NIKON Film SLRs to Digital SLRs and now hate carrying all the bulk - seldom use the big guns now. The quality of these three point and shoots are good enough - I sometimes make 3X5 FOOT blowups on my HP poster printer - I probably would have better image quality if I had used my Fuji S2 but I may have missed the shot by carrying that monster around. The Panasonic TZ1 is pocketable but not so compact - I am impressed by the OIS at full zoom indoors. It definitely is much better than the Nikon s4 10X and the Olympus C730 regarding the antishake abilities and "compact-ness". At full indoor 10X the OIS of the TZ1 offers slight advantage over the Kodak v610 but not by much.... (I can not handhold the Nikon s4 under the same lighting conditions. I am able to finally get a comparable shot after multiple tries with the Olympus C730).

And then I bought the Kodak v570. The Kodak V570 and V610 are the only cameras to come on vacation with me - Macro abilities with a super wide to 10X!

The batteries of the V570 and v610 and SD memory are interchangeable. Batteries are charged in- camera. During outdoor shooting I carried both in a fanny bag only slightly more bulky than the Panasonic TZ1 by itself. Night time or indoors, I carried the Kodak v570 and left the V610 to charge the extra batteries at the AC plug. For the first time ever, my wife got a kick out of carrying one of the Kodaks in the small inner pocket of her purse. The in-camera panoramic stitching is terrific and a snap to use.

Bottom line: If I had to choose only one camera to carry on a trip -I would take the Kodak V610 with the fantastic 10X zoom. I could still do the panoramas by using the V610 at its widest focal length and stitch the images together.

My dream camera- a Kodak 3 lens: Wide angle with the V610 10X zoom
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Old 06-02-2006, 12:36 PM
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But how effective is the 10x of the V610 without Image Stabilization? I would expect a lot of blur.
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Old 06-04-2006, 12:16 AM
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Bottom line: If I had to choose only one camera to carry on a trip -I would take the Kodak V610 with the fantastic 10X zoom. I could still do the panoramas by using the V610 at its widest focal length and stitch the images together.

My dream camera- a Kodak 3 lens: Wide angle with the V610 10X zoom
From my experience, a big zoom is particularly useful for taking pictures of wildlife and getting those objects you can't get close to.

But in an urban setting, big zoom is most often overkill unless you're a stalker.

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But how effective is the 10x of the V610 without Image Stabilization? I would expect a lot of blur.
It's effective as any other big zoom camera with IS.

IS can be useful in many situations but it can also be a band-aid solution for lazy photographers who are not using the right settings or try to have a firm grip on the camera/tripod.
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Old 06-04-2006, 01:04 AM
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10x without IS? I got a camcorder, and the footage is shaky without IS.
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