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Old 12-11-2005, 08:59 PM
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Exclamation FZ-30 noise

Just how noisy is FZ-30 I had my first look the other day.

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Old 12-12-2005, 07:08 AM
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In my opinion noise is not a factor.
Properly exposed photos show little if any noise

here are a buch of photos make up your own mind...if they had NR applied they are marked NR,
http://imageevent.com/grc6/fontsize3...ri0um3.tiger_s
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Old 12-17-2005, 01:57 AM
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In my opinion noise is not a factor.
Properly exposed photos show little if any noise

here are a buch of photos make up your own mind...if they had NR applied they are marked NR,
http://imageevent.com/grc6/fontsize3...ri0um3.tiger_s
The Fz30's noise is no factor? It is only the NOISIEST of UZ cameras. No other has the same amount of noise ath ISO 50/80/100. That is how noisy it is.

And to then show pictures on a website that have a resolution of about 640x480 pixels to show you don't have a noise problem is not fair, what on earth can you see about the quality of a 8 megapixel camera with a 0.3 mpixel sample?

Here are some real 8mp photos where you can see just how noisy the FZ30 is, and where you can better determine if the FZ30 is the camera for you or not.

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pa...w/P1000137.JPG
(ISO 80)

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pa...w/P1000128.JPG
(ISO 80)

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pa...w/P1000174.JPG
(ISO 200)

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/pa...w/P1000148.JPG
(ISO 200)
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Old 12-17-2005, 06:19 AM
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Coldrain you crack me up if you do not like the camera do not buy it all I did with these photos was resize them to a normal viewing size and the noise is gone. These are 2 of the photos you put up.
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Old 12-17-2005, 06:20 AM
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And the ISO200 one

also I printed this photo at 8.5 X 11 ( as large as I can print ) no noise!
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Old 12-17-2005, 09:31 AM
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Coldrain you crack me up if you do not like the camera do not buy it all I did with these photos was resize them to a normal viewing size and the noise is gone. These are 2 of the photos you put up.
Great that you only need less than 1 mpixel photos, genece.

Some people need 8mpixel though (that is why they consider an FZ30 in the first place). And then resizing for a webpage just does not cut it.

That you can not have anyone saying the FZ30 is noisy (it is a well documented fact, it in fact is the noisiest UZ) is your problem. If someone on here asks what the noise of the FZ30 is about, I will keep explaining and showing, and I have no intention of buying an FZ30 (or other noisy cameras).

I have a Canon EOS 350D and at times I want to crop a photo, for screen use. Then the noise does show up, doesn't it. I also probably have other printing needs than you... I at times need to print a photo in large format and then noise and oversharpening and noise reduction artifacts with show up. So then the FZ30 is useless. It just is a very noisy camera, and if your needs are just small prints or less than 1mpixel resized photos for internet I am sure you can be very happy with your FZ30.

Funny though how time and time again you incorrectly say the Fuji S-9000 lacks detail (it does not, it just does not overprocess images like the FZ30 does) when you seem to only care about small prints and resized to under 1mp photos. Who needs detail when you resize so extreme? Any 3mp camera can show more detail than what is needed in your resized pics.
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Old 12-17-2005, 09:35 AM
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And the ISO200 one

also I printed this photo at 8.5 X 11 ( as large as I can print ) no noise!
NO noise??? You even see it on the chair and on the guys face when you have resized the photo so dramatically! A lot of chroma noise. You see the blue-ish purple-ish dots? THAT is noise. From the FZ30. At ISO 200. When you resized from 8mp to under 1mp. Not something to strive for IMHO.
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Old 12-17-2005, 10:25 AM
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You use the 8mp when you print but there is no way to use 8mp on a monitor.
If you know how to print ..print the photo there is no noise..
There is no point in viewing a photo over full screen on a monitor or TV and that is the size I displayed.


I really think you should spend your time in a more constructive manner but I guess thats up to you.

Just for the record I love the photos from the Fz30 and a 8 X 10 will compare very favorably to a photo printed from a 350 rebel. Thats the part you can not stand.
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Old 12-17-2005, 12:54 PM
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Haha, fine... I guess you have a lot of experience with an EOS 350D. And you still did not see that chroma noise? On the down sized photo? And you still never want to crop pictures?

Oh well, it is useless to try and make you or John Reed see what everyone sees when you just want to be convinced that the FZ30 is the best camera without any drawbacks.

The noise is there, and for a lot of people it can be very disturbing in a number of ways. That for some it is fine, that is wonderful.
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Old 12-17-2005, 08:54 PM
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Coldrain, you must be a Canon sales person. Most everyone will admit that a dslr has less noise than the Pan cams, but where do we draw the line. I looked up the Canon that is in your signature out of curiosity and noticed that the body only with no lens was 665.00 after rebate. Thats way out of my price range considering what I can do with my FZ20 with no extra lenses. My FZ blows everybodys digital cameras in my large family away without breaking a sweat and it certainly beats my old Sony Mavica and floppy disks. I noticed that the lobby image was taken at ISO-200 a known weak spot, however the image looked darn good at normal view screen size on my 19" LCD. Again where do we draw the line? I will admit the Pana's have noise, even the pic's that I took today at my family Christmas get together have noise ( it was overcast and drizziling), but everyone who saw my pics said they looked great.
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