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Old 08-08-2005, 10:38 PM
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Hi everyone,

The big three ultra zooms
I am about to purchase my first digital camera and I am considering one of the big three ultra zooms, being the Canon S2 IS, Sony HI or Panasonic FZ5. From the reviews I have read none are perfect, with each having advantages and disadvantages.

[I]Budget

* What budget have you allocated for buying this camera? Please be as specific as possible..... $450 USD

Size

* What size camera are you looking for? Or does size not matter at all to you?
.....Canon S2 IS max size

Features

How many megapixels will suffice for you?
.....5MP

* What optical zoom will you need? (None, Standard = 3x-4x, Ultrazoom = 10x-12x, Other - Specify) .....Ultrazoom

* How important is “image quality” to you? (Rate using a scale of 1-10)...10

Do you care for manual controls?....Yes

General Usage

* What will you generally use the camera for?
...Family, Nature, Widlife, Travel

* Will you be making big prints of your photos or not?...Yes to say 8 x 10

Will you be shooting a lot of indoor photos or low light photos?....Not specifically but would like to be able to capture in normal indoor light situations.. .

Will you be shooting sports and/or action photos? ...Not specifically but I would like to if the situation arose. Children and pets will be my main interests on moving subjects.

Miscellaneous

Are there particular brands you like or hate?... No but would be more confident with a main brand.

Are there particular models you already have in mind? .....Canon S2 IS, Sony H1, Panasonic FZ5.

(If applicable) Do you need any of the following special features? (Wide Angle, Image Stabilization, Weatherproof, Hotshoe, Rotating LCD)...Stabilization

The most important points to me are as follows;

Photo quality.
The FZ5 appears to achieve better results than the other two with excellent resolution and detail, as an example allowing a 5Mb file image to give a good quality, heavily cropped 8 x 10 print.

Noise from test pics:
At the lowest ISO of each camera the FZ5 has the least noise.
At ISO 400 the FZ5 has the least noise

LCD and EVF
I am concerned about the LCD’s so it would be appreciated if someone would make a comment on how bad the LCD on the Panasonic can be in bright sunlight and in low light and how can you overcome this.

I understand that the Canon has similar problems in bright sunlight and gains up in low light and the Sony is good even in bright sunlight and gains up slightly in low light.

Menus:
Is any one better or clearer to use than another. I noted in one review that the Canon had more direct access through buttons than the Sony where you had to find information via the menu’s. Any comments on the FZ5 menu system.

I realise that the Canon has an excellent movie mode and the Sony has that fantastic monitor, these are an excellent bonus but if the trade off is to lose photo quality then I consider that they are not justified if you want the best photo’s your budget can afford.

As I am new to digital camera’s ( I consider buying electronic item’s for the first time is difficult as you don’t have the experience to avoid small but important detail ) I would like to know if I have interpreted these facts correctly and/or if anyone would like to add further comments.

Any comments would be appreciated to assist in a difficult purchase and if anyone is aware of a review comparison of the three side by side, the URL would also be appreciated.
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Old 08-09-2005, 12:13 AM
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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/comp...mcfz5&show=all

There you go.

I've been in the same dilemma that you are in now (well, actually I am sort of in it too) and what amazes me is that the FZ5 seems to produce better images than the FZ20. The only exception that I can see is the hot shoe.

Go for either the Sony or the Pana--both are excellent cameras, has got great reviews.
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Old 08-09-2005, 10:59 PM
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I've just pulled the trigger on SONY H1 eventhough I've been a Canon user all my life.
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Old 08-10-2005, 08:51 AM
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Default FZ5 is a great choice

I was in the same boat for months and finally chose the Pan. FZ5. I love this camera for its: excellent resolution and image quality; battery life, use of SD cards, speed, ease of use, compact size, and let's not forget the PRICE. You can get this camera at 6ave.com now for $364.00 + .06 S&H - more I suppose if Aussie lives in Australia. That is over $100 less than either the Canon or the Sony. I would not buy Sony because I do not want to use Memory Sticks which are more expensive. All the best with your final decision.
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Old 08-10-2005, 11:11 PM
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Thank you for the three replies, to Eclipse the Url you advised was one I had missed. To Donato777, the prices are quite interesting in Australia, the RRP are not consistent with the US RRP's with Sony being $A899, $100 dearer than the Canon.

H1 being just recently to hit the market has a street price of $A759. S2IS $A659. FZ5 $A595, so your comment on price for what you are getting is a strong point.

On the other hand if the images of the S2IS are as good as the FZ5, $65 would be a good investment for quality video.

Thanks again for your interest.
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Old 08-11-2005, 01:46 AM
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I spent a month debating the S2 vs. the FZ5 before finally settling on the FZ5. I'm quite satisfied with it, and pretty well convinced I made the right choice. The noise differences on the two cameras are relatively minor, and for me the selling points on the S2 were the AAs (instead of the proprietary), the better movie mode, and Canon's panoramic stitching mode which I've used on a previous camera and quite liked. Furthermore, the rotating screen was particularly nice (both for odd angles, and protecting the LCD).

Unfortunately, when I actually got my hands on the cameras to see how they felt, I was particularly bothered by the S2's lens cover, which is a rubber piece which slides on, and is held in place by friction with an interior felt lining. While this is nice in that it automatically pushes the cover off if you forget to remove it yourself, it struck me as weak protection for camera that I was going to spend ~400 USD on, especially given how repairs go for digital cameras. A look at the Canon forums suggested that those people concerned about this problem are dealing with it by either ignoring it, jury rigging a solution, or permanently attaching an adapter and filter, which can then have a clip in cap attached. While this would work, it makes the S2 much larger than I was willing to deal with.

In contrast, the Panasonic was smaller, lighter, had nominally less noise, all the critical features, if less of the cute gimmicks that I like. And I felt less nervous with it in terms of the lens cover. Oh... and it was cheaper.

As to the specific questions.

The menu system. General modes (priority modes) are accessed by a dial, but beyond that, most of the settings - ISO, white balance, etc are accessed through a relatively simple menu system. Some functions, such as the priority are through a button and arrow, others, such as exposure/bracketing are reached through the up arrow at all times. Image Stabilization is easily turned off, and rapid shot is also a single button.

Pretty straight forward. Not as many random modes as the S2, but enough to cover most things...

Low light. Its hard to see whats on the screen/EVF in the dark. Can't argue that. This said, the autofocus still works well, and I usually can line up and get my shots anyway. I haven't compared the S2 on this. I haven't noticed a problem in bright sunlight.

Hope that helps. For my .02, if you don't mind the added size of an adapter and filter, the extra gimmick features of the S2 are quite nice. Good luck!
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Old 08-11-2005, 03:01 AM
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My advise for you, Aussie, is that if you are using manual mode to take pictures, get the S2 as it uses the directional pad to adjust the variables. Whereelse the Z5 is more complicated. How complicated you may ask, even the camera dealer who have sold many Z5 takes 5-10 minutes to adjust the aperture and shutter speed (not sure if any Z5 camera user has this problem).

However, if you are aiming for a cheap but good camera, do not hesitate to get the Z5 because in picture quality wise, both of them are similar.

Quality video should never be your priority to get S2 because at the end of the day, all the digital cameras are still taking movies at VGA quality (640x320) regardless of whether zooming is allowed in the movie or number of fps.

Sorry if you find my advise a bit biased because I am a S2 user. Hope this advice can help in your decision making.
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Old 08-11-2005, 07:24 AM
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.....the camera dealer who have sold many Z5 takes 5-10 minutes to adjust the aperture and shutter speed (not sure if any Z5 camera user has this problem)......
5-10 minutes? Bloody hell mate. Your camera dealer must have had one hand amputated. I am a beginner with a FZ20 and I like to use M mode without problem. FZ20 and FZ5 use directional pad for Aparture/shutter adjustment.
Check Panasonic parent company link:
http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/l...mainparts.html
Canon S2 is a great camera, of course, that's beyond debate. But so is the FZ5 and it's not that sluggish.
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Old 08-11-2005, 07:55 AM
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Same boat - finally decided on pan fz5 (had to make decision tho I am a chronic over-researcher b/c next week I elope and move) and posted a new thread on it. To sum: these were issues important to me:

- solid performance + terrific image quality (vs. bells + whistles)
- smaller + lighter
- less money! At the end of the day, I spent ~$400 USD from reputable dealers incl camera, fast 1GB memory card, all shipping and taxes.

Quality of video was never a consideration for me b/c the frame size and compression codec of any still camera is nowhere near mini-DV quality. Tho traveling lightly is an issue for me, I will ALWAYS carry a separate mini-DV camcorder until someone makes a true camera/camcorder hybrid.
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Old 08-11-2005, 08:37 PM
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Default Where did you order?

- less money! At the end of the day, I spent ~$400 USD from reputable dealers incl camera, fast 1GB memory card, all shipping and taxes.

Could you tell me where you got such a good price please...am still trying to find the camera in the area, but will have to order I guess.
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