85mm round up

[jr_rodriguez]

bahhhh....a bunch of elitist rubbish but you are right i am yanking your chain a little don lol. guys have been shooting aps-c for years and printing superb quality pics out of them, things didnt change overnight all of a sudden. hell ive done it myself on a d300. as for your comment on IQ...well i'll take delivery of a d5100 within a week. i'll just have to be satisfied with a camera that costs less than half the price of your FF sony and has a full stop more DR. lol

Ouch.

You know, Don: you never talked this much junk about full frame cameras UNTIL you bought your a850. All of a sudden, it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
Like I've said before, there are literally thousands of professional photographers (some very well known, like Bob Krist) that use crop-sensor cameras for their work. And here you are, pretending to know better than them...

[Channeling Don]: But Rooz, the D5100 won't have anti-shake technology in the body like Sony cameras do![/End of Channeling Don] Ok, enough sarcasm for now...

[Rooz]

[Channeling Don]: But Rooz, the D5100 won't have anti-shake technology in the body like Sony cameras do![/End of Channeling Don] Ok, enough sarcasm for now...

lol...unfortunately for me and my arguments about inbody IS, the anti shake would have been a much appreciated addition to the d5100 cos i will be using it alot for video with a 50/1.4. I couldnt give a rats about inbody IS for photography but for video i get the impression im going to suffer unless i use a stabilised lens. IS is far more important for moving pictures than it is for still shots.

Still, i cant wait to get it. I have been waiting for this camera spec for a couple of years. Nikon delivered albeit taking their sweet time. lol

[DonSchap]

@ 'Rooz', just in case it may have slipped your notice, there's been this earthquake/flood/radiation issue that the Japanese have had to deal with. It put a nasty hick-up in their giddy-up, so I would not be too hard on 'em.

@ 'J.R.' : Hey, [channeling Minolta]this in-the-body stabilization is hot snot, huh?[/channel]

To be clear, I did not say the Full Frame image was better ... all I said was it was BIGGER. You can get ALL of the lens image circle to work for you, it puts it ALL on the little bitty memory card, then you can print it or upload it ... and share it with all your friends and the entire world.

God bless us all. Stop the nonsense. You demean the discussion with the implications.

[tricky1]

Okay, here's a visual exercise for you. Cut the center 2/3rds of a picture out of a magazine. Did it get any bigger? Sorry, it's the same with the "crop" sensor --> Same lens, you just have LESS image to work with because there wasn't any surrounding sensor there to claim it. .

Haha, great explanation! I think the other thing to stress about FF is the improvement in bokeh; for the same shot (both composed the same), the togger is closer to the subject on FF and so the depth of field is shallower and so the bokeh is nicer. [hurls crop sensor vs. ff grenade and dives for cover\]

[tricky1]

Oh yeah, and reason for clicking through was to sing the praises of the minolta 85 1.4, but it looks like the OP is old news....