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    Lightbulb Looks like a "hack job"

    There once was a ship that was built in Pascaguola, MS. After the completion of the Spruance-class Destroyer programme, a contractual build of 30 ships, there were a whole lot of spare parts laying around the shipyard... and it only made some sense to do something other than drop all this stuff into the ocean. So, the US Navy got a bargain contract and brought "one-more-for-the-road", so to speak ... the USS Hayler ... or USS "Spare-Parts" as it was known in the service.

    Now, don't get me wrong, this was just as much a dreadnought as any of the other destroyers built there, in fact, it may have been a little badder, but it had an assortment of irregular doors and other features unlike any other ship of its ... class? More like "one-of-a-kind", in many ways.

    Well, now you have the Canon 60D ... looking to be thrown together, hastily constructed from this & that from other models, to give its "class" an enhanced capability. This is not engineering from the ground up, as we have seen in the past ... but rather a kind of "theft of genius" from other sources, with a "+10" upgrade-stamp on it. I suppose you could call it, the "Canon 7D Spare-Parts." One-step up ... with a little step back.

    What a time we live in, huh? I do apologize, but I believe SONY showed them how to do it.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 08-27-2010 at 04:21 AM.
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    to your point...canon just showed sony and everyone else how to make a proper articulating LCD on a dslr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooz View Post
    to your point...canon just showed sony and everyone else how to make a proper articulating LCD on a dslr.
    Yay! I want one. Well, not Canon or Sony though, sorry.
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    Obviously, I'm clueless about the Canon offerings, but I can't see a 50D user being overjoyed with the 60D.
    The plastic body makes a statement and the change from CF cards could be expensive.
    Hope Sony don't go down this route.

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    the 7d is the true xxD series replacement, and it is exceptional. 50d users are gonna migrate up to that or its successor which means CF. the 60d is a more scaled down version of what the xxD models were originally targetted at but is a scaled up rebel...which takes SD cards, so to me, thats a very sensible well thought out move to get people to upgrade from rebels maintaining the same memory but getting a more full sized camera...but not TOO full sized. it sits around the d90 level and the 7d is the d300s level. i think its a perfectly logical move from canon althogh i'm surprised they left the AF mechanics the same.
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    Thumbs down Why bother?

    Look, when you really have "nothing new" to bring to the table, this is what happens. As I hinted at, earlier in the thread, it is eerily reminiscent of the 2009 SONY α900 -> α850 "market-changer."

    Rooz, you sum it up very well.

    "Oh mirror, mirror flapping in my rig ... who has the most common technology and how big?"

    Sorry, color me unimpressed with the abuse of the word "new" when it comes to this. It's more like someone at Canon dumped out a box of 7D and 50D spare parts on a table and said, "Here! Build what you can could from this stuff." and after twenty minutes, THIS seems to be the 'winner' and they silk-screened "60D" on it. No new investment in design or anything, except how to package the whole shebang they assembled in cheaper plastic, not even the xxD class-representative metal body.

    I do not know ... I feel they could have taken this waste of marketing costs and recycled it into R&D for in-the-body stabilization for the support their "unstabilized" PRIMES, ZOOM & MACRO lenses, but then again, you have to have something to get attention at Photokina!
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    Surely, Rooz, the 7D was in a much higher price bracket than the 50D ever was.
    I realise that Canon muddied the waters with the 550D and doesn't want to hurt sales of the 7D.
    In any case the 50D user either pays a lot more or accepts a dumbed down camera for similar money.

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    I'm not one for video anyway, but this new Canon model's body does appear to be cheap.

    The specs say the Canon model has 50-60 fps for video. Anyone know what the Sony A55's fps is for video? I couldn't find an indication on the Sony Syle site. I did see the 10fps indicator, but there's usually a huge difference between max fps in camera mode vs. video mode.

    It's also interesting that the new Sony A55 has a 3D panorama mode.
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    Sure Darin, it's 30fps (or 25fps region dependent) packaged into 60fps(interlaced) as per the AVCHD Standard.
    AVCHD: 1920 x 1080, 59.94i (from 29.97fps sensor output).
    Motion JPEG: 1440 x 1080, 29.97p or 25p, depending on region.

    The 60D does 30/25/24fps in HD and only does 60/50fps in 720p.
    Of course, the Canon Body is 1100 against only 700 for the A55 so it's actually up against the 550D which has similar performance to A55.
    I say similar, but not when it comes to AF, see here.

    I'm no Video Buff, so my opinion may be worthless but, for what it's worth, I think the A55 will clean up in this sector. What will an A77/A99 bring to the table?

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