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  1. #61
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    Red face More often than not ...

    When people or organizations are usurping your rights ... they wait for you to get tired and go home. They win, you lose ... life goes on. Well, that sentiment is under a real test, this year. Let's see who is standing at the end.

    Pound on 'em till they see red. Photograph the survivors!
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  2. #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    When people or organizations are usurping your rights
    I must have missed that part of the Constitution that delineates my right to record more than 29 minutes and 59 seconds of video with my still camera. Could you point it out to me?

    Seriously, when you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

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    Unhappy Still in disbelief

    David,

    I cannot see how you can defend SONY imposing such a restriction that has no place in the US.

    Plain and simple. It ends right there. What does the founding document of the United States have to do with it? Nothing.

    For that matter, this actually stinks of being illegal for SONY to impose or do, under standard commerce practices. They can comply with EU standards all they want to ... IN THE EU! When you get here ... open up the throttles, boys. The time limit is null and void.

    How would you like to own a car that can go 100 kph/63.3 mph and should be able to, in the US, but it has a speed governor or re-stricter on it that only allows it to go 30 kph, because that is the speed limit in the EU.

    "Oh, that would be fine, Don ... because of globalization ... and that ship is sailing all over the place ... at 30 kph, too."

    Yeah, right ... (shaking head in disappointment). It saddens me to witness such BOHICA behavior, but it certainly explains in full discourse a lot of what has been happening these days.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-01-2010 at 09:58 PM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr® & Sdi

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    Sound like you are anti-regulation whatsoever!
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    Question Who is looking anyway, right?

    Elisha,

    "The power to tax is the power to destroy." You can work that one out any way you want to, but it is axiom everyone would be wise to understand when allowing their government to impose them. Here is a perfect example of legislation digging itself right into our hobby. Just let 'em, right? Is that your response? Your participation in your hobby is curtailed, to some degree, but that's all right, just let 'em. Who cares? They will find something else to tap on ... number of kids you can have ... cows ... sheep .. dogs ... tropical fish! Who cares? Just let 'em dictate and impose, take your money and give you nothing but more rules in return!

    Bah ... I think it is rather sad where we are going ... but, what the heck?

    Just let 'em.


    BTW: Let me know when the EU tells us we're down to taking only ONE picture a day.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-01-2010 at 10:27 PM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    For that matter, this actually stinks of being illegal for SONY to impose or do, under standard commerce practices. They can comply with EU standards all they want to ... IN THE EU! When you get here ... open up the throttles, boys. The time limit is null and void.
    Alas, now you are getting further and further from reality-based thinking. Sony made a business decision to make make a single model for sale worldwide. Not only isn't it illegal to do so, there's no possible way that any choice Sony makes when producing cameras is illegal. You have no clue. Give up this line of argument; it's making you look like a nut job.

    BTW, cars we drive that are made for the global market already follow European and Japanese safety and emissions standards. Get out your tinfoil hat.

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    Red face You know ...

    David,

    You are using the same old nonsense that gets used time after time, with people who have a different view on things than you do ... "SMEAR & CHEER"

    I honestly had a lot more respect for your opinion until this end of the loop. Now ... well, not so much. You tipped your hand. So, consider your defensive posture "revealed" ... sad. It is right in the argument playbook: resort to a personal attack if you cannot make any ground. Deflect and redirect.

    I have worked too hard in my field to be taunted like this. It is your lack of respect for my observation that is now obvious. I pointed out a problem, provided insight as to why it exists and you are now attacking my motivations in doing so, which have been nothing but crystal clear in this whole episode. Your refusal to accept that point of view is where there is a problem, not my effort to point this out.

    For the record and with no ambiguity:
    No 29-minute limit in the USA.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    You are using the same old nonsense that gets used time after time, with people who have a different view on things than you do ... "SMEAR & CHEER"
    You have been repeatedly and factually wrong. When this is pointed out you ignore, obfuscate, and change the subject. Bluster isn't going to change the fact that:
    • The EU isn't imposing any rules or regulations on the US
    • Companies make business decisions like this to reduce their development and marketing costs in a global marketplace
    • There are no legal issues related to anyone's actions here
    • Betamax failed because of marketing decisions by Sony, not because of anything to do with porn


    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    I have worked too hard in my field to be taunted like this.
    How would you prefer to be taunted?

    I don't like the 29 minute limitation either. We agree on that. Where we disagree is that somehow governments are doing something to you. Governments have their reasons for tariffs, companies have to deal with them. They always have and they always will. I don't care about your motivations, I do care when you misstate facts.

    Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.
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    Don,

    Sony is free to make its own business decisions. You are free to make your own purchasing decisions. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. If you don't like their product, don't buy it. It is really that simple. I think we are all tired of you injecting politics into this photography forum. It is needless and this is not the place for it. Go post in a political site/forum.

    JR

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    Red face Unfortunately ... a deep thinker

    JR ...

    Many are the times where WHAT some moron-in-charge decides affects us in ways we can neither predict or, in some cases, live with. Hence the word CHANGE ... going from something to something else. Good to bad ... bad to good ... or somewhere in between.

    The forum is a place to share ideas and implications of CHANGE, because, as we all know in photography, things change in a millisecond. We deal with it the best we can, either by changing our shooting approach or whatever.

    It helps if we can rely on our equipment or even additional new equipment to be what we expect it be and not carved out to fit someone other fool's agenda.

    Software tends to allow that "manipulation" and therein lies the problem with politics. As we are clearly seeing in this discussion, people are being deprived the true capacity of the DLSR/Video camera because of political will.

    So, sit back and ask yourself, "did DonSchap impose this issue?" or even, "Is DonSchap making decisions that affect the photographic world in ways they are not admitting to?" I think you give me way too much credit. Seek the truth and the problem it creates ... if not now, the near future. Lift your head above the fray and try to see what the future holds. Be visionary. Be prepared.

    I am but one starving soul in this morass of nonsense we are all swimming in. My impact is so minuscule in the grand scheme of things, I believe you would be much better served considering the real power at the helm and address its impact directly or indirectly on you ... and not these two simple hands, here, shakily controlling his camera and gear.

    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them. If I can head off a problem, I will at least try. What was your contribution?
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-02-2010 at 11:41 AM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr® & Sdi

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