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  1. #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    Unfortunately...a deep thinker
    Deep thinker: no. Arrogant: definitely.
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    What was your contribution?
    You are implying that you have made a contribution, and a good one at that. That is NOT the case. All you've posted are incoherent political ramblings that just happen to have started with a photographic equipment discussion. Time and again people have pointed that you are factually wrong, but that obviously does not matter to you. See my comment on arrogance above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Metsky View Post
    You have been repeatedly and factually wrong. When this is pointed out you ignore, obfuscate, and change the subject. Bluster isn't going to change the fact that:
    • The EU isn't imposing any rules or regulations on the US
    • Companies make business decisions like this to reduce their development and marketing costs in a global marketplace
    • There are no legal issues related to anyone's actions here
    • Betamax failed because of marketing decisions by Sony, not because of anything to do with porn


    How would you prefer to be taunted?

    I don't like the 29 minute limitation either. We agree on that. Where we disagree is that somehow governments are doing something to you. Governments have their reasons for tariffs, companies have to deal with them. They always have and they always will. I don't care about your motivations, I do care when you misstate facts.


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    i think the younger generation would say you have been "schooled" Don. class dismissed. or is it owned ? i cant keep up anymore. lol
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    Thumbs down Its own reward

    Arrogance ... I would say that is misdirected.

    If anyone is arrogant, it is SONY ... feeling the US-buyers would allow some kind of curtailment of a feature because the EU stipulates anything.

    I am just a little fish in the pond ... raising a big ol' flag of protest.

    Give them an inch, they will take a mile. Remember, everything starts out small and innocuous ... then, you really find out what it going on.

    Is that arrogant? No ... observant, yes. Vigilant, yes. Interested, yes. Participatory, yes.

    I would rather you chimed in with support ... I did not do this to the community, THEY did. Four new cameras, effectively contaminated with an EU compliance virus. I say stop it in its tracks (see signature).

    Obviously, I have only been at this photography thing for a just little while (since 1973). When Minolta released their proprietary hot shoe, back in 1995 .... geez Louise, what a riot that caused. Heck, some Minolta resellers actually told them to "get lost!" and discontinued their sales of the Minolta line. That, my friends, is a really serious protest. I would almost hazard to guess that it may have been the "ripple" or "butterfly effect" that eventually took down the Camera Division.

    Their argument: "But this new design will offer this and this ..."

    Yeah, instead of redesigning the old method or having total compatibility with the older design, it became just another way to sell new flash units. Yes, they sold the adapters ... at a premium and they were hard to find. This hot shoe (mistake) is still going on to this day and has not been re-addressed, as far as I have been able to discern ... and knowing SONY ... and their love of the proprietary ... it never will.

    Like I stated before this became twisted, it all starts somewhere. The arbitrary "29-minute limit" is just another episode of the never-ending story. Arrogant ... bah.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-02-2010 at 05:17 PM.
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    the problem is you dont know what the hell you're protesting about ! and despite several attemps made to steer you in the right direction using those little 'ol things called FACTS...you just keep ranting. lol
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    Question Most peculiar ...

    In an unprecedented move, apparently SONY has stopped the pre-orders of the α560 DSLR and it has been totally "removed" from the SONY Style website.

    Couple that with the α580 not making it out, either ... and half the new Video-enabled camera announcement has been eradicated. Gosh, I hope they remove that darn 29-minute thing while they are at it.

    It is looking like there will be a delay until January 2011, if even then, and will allow the SLT-α33/α55 EVF camera to definitely get a better foothold in the market. The SLT design looks to be the trend ... but, the current users of DSLRs are definitely not sold on EVF. This is a radical move.

    The α33/α55 really cannot be classified as DSLRs, since there is no real reflex mirror in the camera, just a focusing mirror. Simply put, it is a glorified P&S that looks like a DLSR (only it is not big enough) and has an interchangeable lens.

    Oops ... not yet!

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    Is SONY saying "goodbye" to conventional Optical ViewFinder-photography method just to marry the P&S design to the Alpha? Stay tuned ... Photokina just got a little lighter.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-03-2010 at 06:48 PM.
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    No Good-bye I think, nor will it affect any planned Photokina announcements.

    This move will upset a lot of people, particularly in light of A7xx delays so you can be sure that Sony has not taken the decision lightly.

    The obvious conclusion to draw is that there have been overwhelming pre-orders for the A33 which shares a Sensor with the A560.
    Sony will have a finite number of Sensors available and probably has diverted those earmarked for the 560 in order to fulfill A33 pre-orders.
    There will be a lengthy lead time (3 months??) before Sony Semiconductor Division is in a position to execute another production cycle for the DSLR Division. Whilst I am sure that any possible preference will be exercised, the Semiconductor execs will not want to upset major customers.

    Obviously, with no formal announcement from Sony this is just conjecture, but seems a likely scenario. That begs the question, what was the extent of Sony's underestimation and how many pre-orders have actually been taken for the A33? There must be some red faces and not a few Headless Chicken antics back at HQ.

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    Question The truth be told ...

    I am hearing the α580 is still pre-order in Europe (<- click here), which means the OVF camera lives on!

    The Sensor is not of the same type as the α560, so the Europeans may just get their Christmas present. On the other hand, apparently the pre-orders of the SLTs are the driving force in curtailing the OVF, here. Our market will be, literally, flooded with EVF cameras.

    There is such a communication gap, here, in the states, it is down-right impossible to see through the fog-of-war!

    With Photokina less than a few weeks away ... maybe some truth will be presented, for a change.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-04-2010 at 09:23 AM.
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    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    wonder why they pulled the 560.580?

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    Lightbulb WORD has it ...

    Unofficial word is that they do not have enough sensors for BOTH the α560 and the α55 presales in the USA ... so they canned the α560.

    I guess we shall see what we shall see. Photokina is just two weeks away ... and my guess is that the α7xx may just be there. If so, no one is going to miss the α560/α580 solution, as they trip all over themselves to finally grab a higher-end video-enabled DSLR camera.

    The α700 was quite an entry and a tough act to follow.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-07-2010 at 06:13 PM.
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    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    Lightbulb Take a moment ...

    Just so you get the feel for the SLT-α33/α55 camera ... here is a promo piece done by SONY New Zealand (<- click here).
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr® & Sdi

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