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29minutes of footage at one time generally = 4 mins of great stuff and 25 mins of crap. its a non issue.
my average video time is around 2mins a throw.
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 Another frustrating attack on liberty and commerce
You guys are missing the point ... as usual. Man on man, you can lead them to water ... and they still order beer!
Anyway, the 29-minute, 59-second thing is being imposed on us by another government, in my own country. Being an American, I am not liking that kind of crud. You want the EU in your face? Well, you live there ... I do not. Neither do the 300-million others who made their way to the USA. to escape such mandates. In the future, it may have more impact than it does at this moment. When you surrender your freedom and liberties to any government, you rarely get it back.
I suggest a "firmware fix", to eliminate this arbitrary limit and we shall call it "square," otherwise ... well, let's just call it what it is ... "OPPRESSION."
A fledgling market and they are already screwing it up!
Last edited by DonSchap; 08-31-2010 at 07:40 AM.
Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
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 Originally Posted by DonSchap
Anyway, the 29-minute, 59-second thing is being imposed on us by another government, in my own country.
No, it isn't. It is being imposed by Sony, who made a business decision to make a single product for multiple markets. Companies have lots of rules and regulations to contend with in various markets, it's part of life in a multi-national marketplace. They make decisions like this for every product.
Sony could have chosen to make two products; one for each market. They could have chosen to accept the higher tariffs on their products. But stop blaming the EU, or for that matter, bringing politics to this forum again and again.
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David ... you can choose to ignore what is being imposed on all of us if you want. I will not excuse it so dismissively ... and yes, that is MY decision as a competent participant in the world, today. You are witnessing a direct effect of politics on photography. Would you ignore it if they punched you in the face every time you took an image, just because there is a regulation to do it? No, it would be a criminal act against you.
Draw your lines anywhere you want ... but, this is MY photography they are fooling around with ... FOR NO REASON ... in these parts. Ignoring it does not make it right. Simply get rid of the imposed EU limitation and we are cool.
Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
A Photographer Is Forever
Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.
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Originally Posted by DonSchap
David ... you can choose to ignore what is being imposed on all of us if you want.
It's impossible to reason you out of a position you didn't reason yourself into. I'll leave you to your own rants.
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what a bunch of self righteous nonsense. lol
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 Talking people into things ...
David, regardless of how you want to "pass the buck" ... begging off on corporate agreements or whatnot, the fact remains, the United States should not have to abide by EU regulations or impositions. It is that simple.
My citing the problem is not a "rant." I am a bony "finger-pointer" and the problem it is causing is right there ... above, in blue and white. You cannot continuously record over 29 minutes. Well, yeah ... in this country, you can. It is not a matter of debate, but of correction. Once that camera is sold within the borders of the United States ... it complies with our laws and sanctions concerning commerce ... and believe me, there are plenty. 
The "camcorder tariff" or its restrictive practices should NOT be imposed by SONY on US buyers. It is not political, it is economical, practical and legal. Big difference. [/issue]
Originally Posted by Rooz
what a bunch of self righteous nonsense. lol
No kidding, huh, "Rooz?" I find it rather disappointing and cannot imagine why anyone would think this kind of scandalous compliance across the board would be tolerated. Good lord, back to a one world government, huh? Thinking no one would notice. Hah! Not here, baby! We have more lawyers than good sense!
Last edited by DonSchap; 08-31-2010 at 02:08 PM.
Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
A Photographer Is Forever
Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.
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if sony want to operate in a global world, then they follow global requirments. contrary to popular belief for some americans, there is a whole other world outside of your borders...and i dont just mean hawaii.
the amount of things, (and irrelevant things at that), you get your knickers in a knot over is staggering.
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 The Betamax Story
Originally Posted by Rooz
if sony want to operate in a global world, then they follow global requirments. contrary to popular belief for some americans, there is a whole other world outside of your borders...and i dont just mean hawaii.
the amount of things, (and irrelevant things at that), you get your knickers in a knot over is staggering.
This was easy to spot. It does leave you to wonder ... what over little nuances are missing from the cameras because some market restricted it?
Rememeber SONY Betamax tapes? Probably not. Anyway, there were two main types of video-tape recording going on in the world, back in the early 80s. SONY Betamax and VHS. Betamax was clearly the better format, having less noise, a better resolution image ... but, because SONY did not want the porno industry recording on their tape (and porno is the source of a whole lot of industry and jobs, on the internet, these days) and the fact that VHS manufacturers had no such problem with it ... Betamax died! The market determined that the "better" tape was problematic ... by arbitrary decision-making.
So, for whatever reason you want to toy with ... the fact remains, arbitrarily screwing everyone because one market has issues ... is supercilious and counterproductive. Perhaps the "video-in-the-DSLR" market is so small ... it will not matter, in the big picture. Still ... it seems a little like history repeating itself. Some guys never learn. 
Experience is the result of the fact that you were not born yesterday.
Last edited by DonSchap; 08-31-2010 at 05:55 PM.
Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
A Photographer Is Forever
Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.
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