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  1. #1
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    HDR effect and B&W

    Here are two images I took today. The HDR was hand held I shot in RAW and used 5 images.


    Frank





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    It certainly produces a nice effect. I think it definitely adds to a lot of photographs. It's pretty easy to tell that this was handheld however. The closer crop is better but they both exhibit some softness due to slightly different angles on the photos used for the technique. I still think the only way to get a sharp good HDR is to use a tripod. Don has definitely led all of you down a path here. If you are using Photomatix you may get by using the "by matching features" option. But nothing beats tripod lined up photos. Even then some shake is sometimes introduced and the photo is ruined. Another way to avoid this softness is by using a single RAW image and processing it for different EVs.
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    I did shot these in RAW so I can give that a try but you can get the same effect in PS from a single RAW file. I am going to try and merge only three images and see if it comes out better.

    Thanks

    PS: I cannot bracket the shots with my A100 I need to make a manual adjustment for each shot.
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    the main issue of softness is cos there is ever so slight movement which blurs the hard edges. you can tell this in particualr with any text; eg on the truck door. thats why tenD is talking about a tripod.
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    I never have a tripod with me. If this was a planed shoot I would have used it. I haven't tried any HDR images in a while and though this would look good. I am going to try it with less images and see if it is better.

    Thanks
    Frank
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    Frank,

    Try dropping the over exposed image. With hand-held, that's usually where most of the blur comes from.
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    Handheld HDR

    It helps tremendously to have auto bracketing and 5fps, when it comes to handheld HDR. It also helps when your lowest ev shot is above 1/60 sec. Here's an example in both HDR color and then converted to B&W.
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  8. #8
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    Here is an HDR from 3 images. I changed some settings in Photomatix. I will try that later.


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    I converted the 3 image HDR to B&W.

    Last edited by sparkie1263; 08-15-2010 at 09:45 AM.
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    Looking good Frank. My only suggestion on the B&W would be a slight burn in on the top of the hood to reduce it's brightness.
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  10. #10
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    Thanks I will fix it.

    Frank
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