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  1. #11
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    Great, a discussion I was interested in gets derailed into the political gutter.

    What about dynamic range, how does the 850 compare to the 700? What is the day to day difference in size and weight? Is the sensor IS any better or worse?
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    Red face I guess you missed it, in all the confusion ...

    The a850 is nearly identical to the a900. Whatever you have read, you can almost replace a900 with a850, except it has a 3fps image rate ... a 98% Viewfinder ... and lacks the optical "Remote Commander" device in the box. The camera STILL has the feature, just not the remote control.

    Compared to the a700 ... other than the crop conversion, it is almost identical image response from the sensor, other than the noise response is noticeably better on the a700, due to its smaller size. Processing speed on the a850 is also increased, i suppose by file size, so the a700 is definitely snappier, in that regard.

    The a700 image rate is that of the a900, 5 fps. The viewfinder is only 95%, so that is slightly noticeable, also.

    Again, the Full Frame is better with wide lenses. You get the FOV you paid for ... it is not reduced by 33%. IS seems to actually work identically between the two cameras, but I, personally, have gotten the a850 to achieve a 1/5 second SSS shot, handheld. So it and the a700 are tied, with my hands on the trigger.

    I hope this helps, devoid of political awareness.

    Personally, compared to the SONY Full Frame and APS-C alternatives, I believe the a700 to be a stunning value, at this time.
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    Socialism-is-evul BS
    You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about, Don.

    The US already pays the most per capita in public health care of any nation on earth, and has held that position for nearly 30 years.

    If you were so worried about the evuls of Socialism, you're just a wee bit late.

    Keep talking about what you know (which is at this point, little to nothing from what I've seen).
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    Apparently, Don needs educating in other areas as well...
    Good thing he's going back to school.

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    Thumbs down Get Smart ... and C.H.A.O.S.

    Oh, I can plainly see and witness the value of the "open-hands" getting filled by destroying the rich, who were producing jobs and all the other aspects of life in America. The beauty is ... the rich can run ... and the true problem inherent with socialism ... eventually you run out of people to tap on. I see the tax-top rolling down and down and down ... where we at, today ... $150,000/yr?

    Yeah ... good plan.
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    Don, see, here's the thing... I don't necessarily disagree with you. Being a private business owner, I'm not a fan of the taxation system in either Canada or the US in terms of forced taxes, EI benefits, or for example, union power.

    BUT... the taxes are already being collected and used on healthcare, why not use the money at points that cost less and are more useful (doctor's visits to maintain health), rather than at the point of no return, such as ER visits or emergency medical services, which tie up resources, cost tons to implement, and benefit so very few?

    Why not, for example, spend money on teaching people to maintain a healthy lifestyle early on, instead of them going on permanent medical disability due to obesity or diabetes or heart trouble, and make people a permanent drain on society?

    Oh, and you show open disdain for the Clinton administration, but you kind of forget that it was the Welfare reforms developed and signed in during the Clinton administration that got the most people off the Welfare/EI system and back in to the workforce of any president in the last 30 years.
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    Red face How did we get here? Who ran the bus off the road?

    When the United States joined the global community (via NAFTA and other rather annoying treaties), we inherited a lot of social ills that went with that. Major Industry has left the US ... and has artificially reduced or maintained prices, as a cheaper 'international' labor force was and is utilized to provide for the wants and needs of every American. Now, that loss of industry has left the country pretty hollow as far as a community that can reshape itself. There is nothing to turn to except service and ... well, that's about it. Even agriculture has become a South American alternative.

    Jobs? Doing what, may I ask?

    So, we now have a bunch of baby boomer patients using the 401K spoiled-retirement funds, courtesy of the 'Wall Street' debacle (your US Congress watchdogs at work) to support a bunch on Generation X & Y doctors, nurses and lawyers. This is a grim portrait of the country that has saved the world from the brink ... and now we witness our own destruction ... crushed like a empty pop can.

    Hey, I have pictures!

    American Industry (2009) Was here yesterday, gone to Mau
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    the a700 is what it is and what its always been. a middle of the road dslr with average to decent performance. its only redeeming feature over dslr's in other systems is in-body IS. sure its cheaper now...but its no BETTER. that statement in fact represents the entire sony line-up.

    as for the political debate, this isnt the place for it so i'm not going there. suffice to say that thank God that imbecile Bush is gone. all he is now is a skidmark (http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...rm=skid%20mark), on the pages of american and world history.
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    Cool When governments deteriorate ... just look at the people

    Now, that may just be an idea ... take pictures of 'closed' industry. Cripes, you would not even have to drive 5-miles to get a page full of images of "Depression 2009"

    The 1930's don't have a thing on us, except the rather obvious soup-lines and blasted dust-bowl storms. We just seem to hide them better, these days, with food pantries and other "shift-the-blame" locations.

    The stimulus ... to leave.
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    the new consumer ethos nowadays is give me more for less. and that equals China.
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