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  1. #601
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    Question What "living?"

    @Peter: Thanks for sharing your rig, old chum. I have to buy into expanding the RAM as a great idea! It was clearly demonstrated when I tossed in the extra 8GB, on top of the existing 8GB. It cleaved that process time!

    As for AMD... I have been an AMD fan for easily 15 years, now. A lot of that is because I could not see paying Intel's advanced pricing, back in the day. They are selling plenty of processors and there is no reason to artificially inflate those prices other than to rip off the pedestrians. I am not a fan of that crap, as you well know, otherwise, I would also own Canon gear.

    I spent a good hour or so with a hardware specialist, running ideas of other configurations with a couple SSD drives in RAID 0. The bottom line to all that was that was the single Cosair 120GB SSD, as a "bang for the buck" solution. While there is a substantially faster one, in the Revo SSD RAID 0... the cost is double, too, for an effectively diminished return. So... we drop back a notch and save a couple hundred.

    The main intent of writing about this was to just see what would happen if... and that's it. I mean, most people don't discuss this common aspect of digital photography, so I thought I might. I had gotten into a rather lengthy discussion, while working in my capacity of an "IT" specialist at the school. A couple of the guys were discussing DROBO drives (<- click here) and the use of SSD drives. It got me thinking about improving the response of Photoshop and other applications. So... I "what if'd..." my way into this project and created this unusual edition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rooz View Post
    what do you do for a living Don ?
    @Rooz: Now, I am going to ask you to take a moment and review the thread title. Okay... having read that, Rooz... I AM A "troublemaking"... S-T-U-D-E-N-T. I have no direct income from anyone other than the few sheckles I get from my student support and student employee program. I use this miniscule money to pacify my technological pursuits and optical explorations. This minimal amount is also reduced by the explosive cost of gasoline and taxes, these days. Even though I have almost 35 years as a "trained" Electronics Technician, Experimentalist and Information Systems specialist, that does not seem to make any difference in today's job market. I have occasionally looked to see what jobs are available and it looks pretty bare without the, now, obligatory Bachelors-degree. That one rather silly-aspect "weeds you out" before you ever get to a hiring manager, these days. So no... until I have the "sheepskin"... what living? I have no useful past, apparently. And since it does not seem to matter what the degree is in, I went and pursued my oldest hobby interest (and no, it wasn't women, either).

    I have a scheduled March 2012 graduation date. Then... world, look out! Have camera, won't travel.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 07-02-2011 at 10:37 PM.
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    i have no idea how you afford so many new things so often. more power to ya.
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    Don, I too have a soft spot for AMD and use their processors in preference to Intel wherever possible and recommend their use to others, friend and client alike.
    However, when it comes to bread and butter (not really) performance in Photoshop, you have to go with Intel.
    Here are some benchmark results courtesy of Anandtech to illustrate the point.

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    You can research the issue but I have never seen any test which didn't give Intel a significant advantage in running Photoshop and it can't be redressed by using SSDs.

    Compared to mechanical hard drives, SSDs continue to be a disruptive technology. Its difficult to convince folks to spend more money, but the difference in the experience between a mechanical HDD and a good SSD is eye opening. I'd even argue that the SSD is more useful on a slow machine, try one on a Netbook and you'll see what I mean. But the SSD's contribution is in loading Windows (or OSX) and opening programs in double quick time, and that's basically it. Yes the scratch file works faster but the idea is to give Photoshop enough RAM so that the scratch file is not needed and this is not difficult now that we can use 8/12/16/24 GB RAM on the mainboard. Much better to spend your money on RAM and get a cheaper SSD if cost is the limiting factor.

    DROBO enclosures are a different thing altogether; you are into Backup and Data Security, a whole can of worms in itself.

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    Lightbulb The Storage Safe

    The biggest concern for most photographers is organizing and keeping their images "safe."

    That's it.

    You lose your files and your work is, literally, history. If you have ever fallen victim to hard drive failure or an electrical overload, it is not hard to imagine a future where that will not be a concern. There are several ways to address this issue with a high degree of success in doing so. The DROBO is designed to provide a solid, growing solution to a the "online data safe." Is it susceptible to failure? Sure, an asteroid could hit it! It would be the next-to-final dumping ground for your files.

    Nothing can beat having removable, "burned" data storage, such as DVDs or Blu-Ray Disc, for the masses. Again, these media technologies will eventually "advance" and you will need to migrate off of them to something more current, as time moves on. It is an ongoing adventure, at this point.

    Some people have elected to go with backup services, but I contend that these "online" services are "at the pleasure" of the people who created them and there is no guaranty that they are going to still be viable 10, 20, 30 years down the road? There are no laws shielding or protecting your content either, so if the various legislatures decide that "nude" content is illegal, for some weird period of time, what's to stop them from purging your work? Uh... nothing ---> It gets wiped. GONE! All nice and legal, like the I.R.S.

    So, keeping a copy for yourself is critical, if you are serious, otherwise, one day, there will not be a copy to look at.

    That's just my opinion. Data loss is intolerable.

    Thanks for sharing the benchmark data. If things slow down, again, I'll consider it. Right now, with a 35-second panorama versus the 3-minute one I had... I'm good.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 07-03-2011 at 08:10 AM.
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    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooz View Post
    i have no idea how you afford so many new things so often. more power to ya.
    A: I don't own a SONY 300/f2.8 G SSM lens ($6200). That was my noble sacrifice.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    The biggest concern for most photographers is organizing and keeping their images "safe."

    That's it.
    It should be.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    You lose your files and your work is, literally, history. If you have ever fallen victim to hard drive failure or an electrical overload, it is not hard to imagine a future where that will not be a concern. There are several ways to address this issue with a high degree of success in doing so. The DROBO is designed to provide a solid, growing solution to a the "online data safe." Is it susceptible to failure? Sure, an asteroid could hit it! It would be the next-to-final dumping ground for your files.
    DROBO is expensive and doesn't protect your data from Fire or from Theft.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    Nothing can beat having removable, "burned" data storage, such as DVDs or Blu-Ray Disc, for the masses. Again, these media technologies will eventually "advance" and you will need to migrate off of them to something more current, as time moves on. It is an ongoing adventure, at this point.
    Too slow and not that reliable. Best bet is HDD with mirrored RAID and Archives in a fireproof safe.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    Some people have elected to go with backup services, but I contend that these "online" services are "at the pleasure" of the people who created them and there is no guaranty that they are going to still be viable 10, 20, 30 years down the road? There are no laws shielding or protecting your content either, so if the various legislatures decide that "nude" content is illegal, for some weird period of time, what's to stop them from purging your work? Uh... nothing ---> It gets wiped. GONE! All nice and legal, like the I.R.S.
    Don't trust anyone with your data; they don't care about your data and only want to make money. I'll bet the contract excuses them from losing it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    So, keeping a copy for yourself is critical, if you are serious, otherwise, one day, there will not be a copy to look at.
    That's just my opinion. Data loss is intolerable.
    And two copies are better than one.
    Murphy said: "If anything can go wrong, it will".
    I expect he was right and...
    If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the FIRST to go wrong.

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    Lightbulb Backup speed is not that critical

    When you are backing up, then sure... a quick backup is always appreciated. Then again, just backing up, in of itself, is a sound practice, fast or slow. Just do it.

    As long as your working PC is ONLY container for your images, everything is at risk. You need a safe, reliable, and consistent method that WORKS FOR YOU. With the newer, larger files being created, daily, you need to process your captures quickly and with the understanding that they could be lost to any number of catastrophic events, if you leave them in the PC. Copy them off, plain and simple. Then tuck those copied files somewhere you know is safe. I mean better than your old family album, because when digital media ages... it all goes.

    You also nee to catalog what you store, because as I recall, looking at one recorded DVD next to another, I know this may sound non-PC, but I cannot tell them apart.

    So, you have to include some kind of listing to rapidly make use of your backups, one day.

    I hope I am preaching to the choir on this, because it is a necessary overhead item to any photographer's work, professional or... otherwise.

    Good luck with whatever method you make use of. Obviously, some are more reliable than others. Just do it.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    A: I don't own a SONY 300/f2.8 G SSM lens ($6200). That was my noble sacrifice.
    I think what Rooz is wondering is where the cash for of your numerous purchases is coming from, since you are constantly buying equipment, allegedly. Good for you if you can buy all this stuff while being a poor student (allegedly).

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    I have explained and that's all there is to it. These aren't major purchases, just moderate ones. The business plan purchases will come from other funding, if the economy ever turns around. Meanwhile, it's back to school...

    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-13-2011 at 04:57 PM.
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    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

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    backup is the most overused and obsessively paranoid thing photographers are guilty of. the way we carry on about it you;d think we were the CIA. those PC companies are making a motza off us dopes.
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