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  1. #1
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    How you use your flash?

    I was playing with the SB600 again, and realised I dont use it enough.

    As a side, I put that on the D700 and my sigma 70-200 and soon had arm ache. That is one heavy combination.

    Anyway, how do you use your flash in the following situations:

    1 - taking a photo outdoors on a sunny day of a subject. Do you use aperture priority? TTLBL? TTL? Manual?

    2 - Taking a photo outdoors, but wanting to "creatively" underexpose the background? When I have tried this I have ended up with an overall underexposed photo.

    3 - Taking shots indoors (i assume you use TTL and bounce)
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    On point 3 above, whenever I take photos on the D700 with the SB600, the camera meter says the shot will be quite under exposed. But when I take the shot, the photo looks fine.

    Why does it say its going to be underexposed when its not?!
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    Its the weight factor that sink the fantasy of owning Nikkor F/2.8 17-55 or 24-70. I can't use D80+Sigma 50-150+SB800 effectively so off to ebay it went.

    I use the flash:
    1. Outdoors on a sunny day on human subjects with Aperture mode, TTLBL, TTLBLFP. Mainly to get avoid darken faces. Do you use Focal Plane Off?
    ....
    3. Indoors TTL and always bounce. If the subjects are close by I use the diffuser dome; if they are far away I remove the diffuser and let the light bounce off the ceiling (providing it's not too high).

    I use Aperture mode 95% of the time.
    Last edited by tim11; 10-22-2009 at 03:09 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herc182 View Post
    On point 3 above, whenever I take photos on the D700 with the SB600, the camera meter says the shot will be quite under exposed. But when I take the shot, the photo looks fine.

    Why does it say its going to be underexposed when its not?!
    That always happen especially when shooting indoors so I ignore that meter indicator when external flash is on. Just for exercise, raise ISO till the meter is on neutral and the images are often lean to a tad overexpose in my opinion; on my D80, D90 at least.
    Shoot in raw and bring those underexposed shots back to life like magic.
    Nikon D90, D80
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    I really have to give RAW a chance. Always shoot in jpeg
    mode.
    D700 also has a rediculous tiff option that takes a LOT of space.

    Regarding FP, I can't find that option on the D700. Had it on the D80 though.
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    Tiff has no advantage over best quality JPG but to take up ridiculous space. You may as well shoot in best JPG, save a copy of the original. I remember my Panasonic FZ20 5MP tiff takes 14MBytes while a RAW from D90 averages around 10 MBytes.
    Last edited by tim11; 10-22-2009 at 03:27 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herc182 View Post
    I was playing with the SB600 again, and realised I dont use it enough.

    As a side, I put that on the D700 and my sigma 70-200 and soon had arm ache. That is one heavy combination.

    Anyway, how do you use your flash in the following situations:

    1 - taking a photo outdoors on a sunny day of a subject. Do you use aperture priority? TTLBL? TTL? Manual?

    2 - Taking a photo outdoors, but wanting to "creatively" underexpose the background? When I have tried this I have ended up with an overall underexposed photo.

    3 - Taking shots indoors (i assume you use TTL and bounce)

    The meter will always say it's underexposed in a dark environment (unless you're exposing for the ambient) because it can only meter from what it can see. The flash is only there for a split second so it can't meter off that. Outdoors on a sunny day I'd either use aperture priority or manual with TTLBL. If you wanted some really shallow DOF or to underexpose the background then you'd need to use FP at the sacrifice of flash power.

    If you're using aperture priority mode and have -EV dialled in to underexpose the background, that affects the FEC also. So if you're -1.7EV, it's doing that to the flash too so you have to increase the FEC. This is part of the reason I shoot in manual exposure mode, so I don't need to use exposure compensation.

    Indoors with flash I shoot in manual exposure and TTL with bounce. Choose an ISO, aperture and shutter speed to allow some ambient light to register.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tim11 View Post
    Tiff has no advantage over best quality JPG but to take up ridiculous space. You may as well shoot in best JPG, save a copy of the original.
    I beg to differ. TIFF uses lossless LZW compression whereas JPG uses lossy compression that can result in compression artifacts. So in theory, TIFF does have some advantage. In practical use, however, you will never actually see it.

    Just try spotting the difference between Nikon's high quality JPG vs. basic JPG. Just make sure you set the camera to "variable file size", and you won't ever see any difference (fixed file size tweaks the compression factor, i.e. the image quality, to make sure the desired file size is achieved).
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    Sigma 150 Macro f/2.8 +++ Sigma TC 1.4 +++ Metz 54i

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    D700 flash usage

    One nice thing about the D700 is that you can easily move up the ISO setting to, say, 1250 when using flash. This will balance ambient light and flash.

    I use the Metz 54i (guide number 54). I was kinda amazed when the flash told me it could reach out to 80 (!) meters with ISO 1250 on the camera with 44 mm and f/5 for this shot:


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/huha/36...7620582719343/

    I took the shot from up where those people stood:


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/huha/36...7620582719343/

    With ISOs turned up that much, even dim lights like those petroleum lamps don't get drowned by the flash:


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/huha/36...7620582719343/


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/huha/36...7620582719343/

    And reflections can be kept down, too:


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/huha/36...7620582719343/

    You just gotta love that piece of equipment.
    Stefan Hundhammer
    Nikon D700, Sony R1, Sony T10
    Nikkors: 24-70 f/2.8 +++ 70-300 VR f/4.5-5.6 +++ 18-35 f/3.5-4.5
    +++ 20 f/2.8 +++ 24 f/2.8 +++ 35 f/2 +++ 50 f/1.8 +++ 85 f/1.8
    Sigma 150 Macro f/2.8 +++ Sigma TC 1.4 +++ Metz 54i

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    Quote Originally Posted by shshsh View Post
    I beg to differ. TIFF uses lossless LZW compression whereas JPG uses lossy compression that can result in compression artifacts. So in theory, TIFF does have some advantage. In practical use, however, you will never actually see it.
    .....
    I am aware of the theory with advantage and disadvantage of each. I should clarify what I mean is its practical advantage.
    I do use TIFF but only when post processing. When using an original JPG shot to do touch up I always save it to TIFF or PSD but only save to JPG when I finish it. However, there is no benefit in TIFF when you in the original shot - no WB advantage, no dynamic range advantage or whatever.
    For the space a TIFF takes you might as well shoot RAW.
    Nikon D90, D80
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