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  1. #1
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    New Cameras (and lenses we already knew about)

    Geez guys, how come the forum is dead on the day with not one but THREE new cameras, including what appears to be the cheapest MSRP on a FF body yet.

    So far it appears the 850 is a 900 with 98% viewfinder instead of 100%, 3FPS instead of 5, and I don't know what else.

    The 550 has a higher res screen, 14mp instead of 12mp and a 5fps instead of 3fps in the 500.

    What other differences are there, and what is different between the A700 and the 500/550?
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    500 series have plastic body.
    But other than that everything else looks like an improvement in them besides no video.
    Surprised that the a850 has Dual-Bionz which leas to the possibility of a hacked FW re-enabling 5fps.
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    Red face At first blush ...

    Well ... on the α500/α550, the user interface is a bit different. The Focus Mode (AF-S, AF-A, AF-C, MF) control knob is missing from the lower front of the camera. (Must be menu driven, now) Also the DOF Preview button is gone (lower portion the lens mount & that function is just GONE! ). There is no "wireless" (Remote Commander) control available for this camera, so you are 'tethered"

    It has a definite improvement in fps over the α2xx/α3xx0 series. Time to move up, dudes.

    Unless you are a "Live View" aficionado ... there would be no reason to leave the α700 at all. Obviously, they built this one to address that LV market. Again, it leads me to believe that the α700-series (high-end, full featured APS-C sensor) camera is history, as it steps right on the toes of the α850/α900 features.

    It kind of makes me laugh ... as you cannot buy one camera that ... HAS IT ALL! I can only assume that SONY still considers the "LiveView" as a "get the masses, novelty" ... like video. I can see why they played this so close ... without advertisement ... it is basically nothing "market shifting", like the Exmor R backlit sensor might have been.

    As far as the new full frame goes ... there really is nothing substantially new except a price reduction and a few cut backs on features (3fps and reduced VF). It is good to know that the Bionz twins (processor) survived the headsman's axe.

    Here's the α850 preview (<- Click here)

    I am curious as to weather the "Remote Control" software and USB feature has been affected. It probably stayed. I always worry about these things.

    To me, it seems like a name change for the sake of change. Yes, there are some reductions, but I would have been a lot happier with a price point change of the α900, back in March ... not another camera body of basically the same thing. My main hope is better noise reduction, although if they are using the SAME 24.6 MP sensor and image processing system ... that would fall under SOFTWARE ... and again, that could have been done with ver. 2.0 α900 firmware.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 08-27-2009 at 04:39 PM.
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    Yeah, the 850 seems weird. If they dropped the FPS that much, then it doesn't seem like they would discontinue the 900, but most people buying a 5D/D700/A900 are buying for studio/portrait/wedding/art use, where FPS doesn't matter much, and it seems like the 850 would cannibalize 900 sales.

    The loss of DOF is odd. I'm hoping the big upgrade is much better high-iso noise.
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    Does anybody use the DOF button?? I don't think I ever used it.

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    I used it once when I got the a700.
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    Frank ... you need to have a wide aperture lens mounted to appreciate it. I use mine more than I want to, because they still have not added the DOF Calculator I asked for to the camera's OS.

    Hey, maybe that is in the works for ver 2 firmware in the α500/α550

    I sure hope someone at SONY is reading this feedback.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 08-27-2009 at 10:09 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisha82 View Post
    I used it once when I got the a700.
    I guess it would have helped on the portrait of your cousin that Rooz commented on. I just did some reading on it. You should use it on portrait shots to make sure everything that you want is in focus. Something else I need to try to remember. I am going to have to make a cheat sheet.LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkie1263 View Post
    Does anybody use the DOF button?? I don't think I ever used it.

    Frank
    Not all the time, but when I'm trying to get a couple of objects a good distance from each other both in focus, it is really handy. It really should be a standard feature on pretty much all cameras.

    As Don said, it is more important with a large aperture lens, and really is probably less important with APS-C than with FF, but still useful with those fast primes I'm developing an unhealthy addiction to.

    Edit: Oh, no second wheel. So this is more like a higher end A350 than a lower end A700. Luh-ame.
    Last edited by laydros; 08-27-2009 at 12:34 PM.
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    dof preview is a compelte and utter waste of a button. take the shot and review.
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