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  1. #41
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    Go get em, dr4gon!

  2. #42
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    Full frame is for Noobs...Medium format is where the seriousness is.....
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    Nikon EM, Series E lenses 50mm f1.8|28mm f1.8|100mm f2.8, Sigma 80-200mm f4.5-5.6
    Minolta Riva 100AF, Sinpo PQ-3, Olympus mju-III wide 100, Yashica 635
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    Sony cybershot W90, cybershot T90
    Canon A720i|400D|7D|5DMKII|85mm f1.8|24-105mm f4|135mm f2|40mm f2.8|430EX II*2|BG-E3|BG-E7
    Sigma 24mm f1.8|50mm f2.8|105mm f2.8 Samyang 8mm fisheye
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  3. #43
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    Since this forty-year "noob" is sticking with 35mm, I suppose you are correct.

    My goodness this is a pretty big "noob-blanket" you brought with you, 'faisal'. It covers just about ... the ... whole ... DCRP. Thanks for bringing it along.
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    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elisha82 View Post
    Then you're obviously clueless. Sony may not have as many lenses as Canon or Nikon but they have only started manufacturing DSLRs since 2006.
    apart from the kit-lenses, all the rest are quality lenses.
    such as the 16-35, 24-70, 70-200, 70-300, 70-400, 35, 85, and 135mm are all top notch.
    the only reason most of us opt for Minolta glass is because there are about 16 million Minolta AF lenses out there and they used to be cheap until Sony started pumping out bodies!
    lol I just realized that I missed an entire page and elisha hit all the same lenses I pointed out for price/quality (sans the 35mm F/1.4)! ahahah
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

  5. #45
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    Ryan, great minds think alike, right?
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post
    lol I just realized that I missed an entire page and elisha hit all the same lenses I pointed out for price/quality (sans the 35mm F/1.4)! ahahah
    You should probably look up reviews of the lenses you just talked about.

    Alright, fine - let me put it differently then.

    Your two standard zooms aren't Sony.

    DWessel's standard zooms aren't Sony.

    Elisha doesn't shoot Sony for her standard zoom.

    Don's standard zooms aren't Sony (at least according to his "weekend pictures" thread).

    Why?
    Last edited by jekostas; 08-06-2009 at 11:43 AM.
    E-510
    E-1
    Zuiko 14-54 F2.8-3.5 MkI
    Zuiko 70-300 F4.0-5.6
    Konica Hexanon 52mm F1.8
    Cullmann 2503
    Benro KS-0

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by jekostas View Post
    You should probably look up reviews of the lenses you just talked about.

    Alright, fine - let me put it differently then.

    Your two standard zooms aren't Sony.

    DWessel's standard zooms aren't Sony.

    Elisha doesn't shoot Sony for her standard zoom.

    Don's standard zooms aren't Sony (at least according to his "weekend pictures" thread).

    Why?
    Sony and Zeiss have unique partnership together for their Zeiss Alpha (ZA) line that's been going , what's your point? They're Sony's.... and they're optically excellent.

    As for our lenses, (why?)... and I really can't speak for the others, except it comes down to price. Read: Not price/performance, as in the 70-200mm VRII may be optically 200% better than the previous making it a good value, but it's just flat out expensive.

    My standard zooms (is a 70-200mm a standard zoom?) are Tamron yes, and Don will argue how closely Tamron and Sony/Minolta work together, but that's another story, but that is because for my budget at the time, they were the best lens/price/quality I could afford. I still think optically the Tamron 70-200mm is one of the best 70-200mms out there. No one disagrees with how sharp it is. The gripe (which I gripe about too) is how slow the auto focus is in comparison with other lenses with super sonic motors.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    Since this forty-year "noob" is sticking with 35mm, I suppose you are correct.

    My goodness this is a pretty big "noob-blanket" you brought with you, 'faisal'. It covers just about ... the ... whole ... DCRP. Thanks for bringing it along.
    I just made your APS-C blanket bigger...
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    Nikon EM, Series E lenses 50mm f1.8|28mm f1.8|100mm f2.8, Sigma 80-200mm f4.5-5.6
    Minolta Riva 100AF, Sinpo PQ-3, Olympus mju-III wide 100, Yashica 635
    Digital
    Sony cybershot W90, cybershot T90
    Canon A720i|400D|7D|5DMKII|85mm f1.8|24-105mm f4|135mm f2|40mm f2.8|430EX II*2|BG-E3|BG-E7
    Sigma 24mm f1.8|50mm f2.8|105mm f2.8 Samyang 8mm fisheye
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post

    As for our lenses, (why?)... and I really can't speak for the others, except it comes down to price. Read: Not price/performance, as in the 70-200mm VRII may be optically 200% better than the previous making it a good value, but it's just flat out expensive.
    Uh, okay, so price is or isn't a factor? I'm wondering what your argument is here. There is no "price/performance" metric without "price".

    Okay, I'll give an example from my neck of the woods:

    At the step-up standard zoom category, Olympus users have a choice of the Olympus Zuiko Digital 14-54 F2.8-3.5, or the slightly cheaper Sigma 18-50 F2.8, which has been universally lauded as an excellent lens (and is a full stop faster at the longest zoom setting).

    Yet probably 90%+ users choose the Zuiko. Why? It's a better quality lens, in the same range, for much the same price.
    Last edited by jekostas; 08-06-2009 at 01:50 PM.
    E-510
    E-1
    Zuiko 14-54 F2.8-3.5 MkI
    Zuiko 70-300 F4.0-5.6
    Konica Hexanon 52mm F1.8
    Cullmann 2503
    Benro KS-0

  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by jekostas View Post
    You should probably look up reviews of the lenses you just talked about.

    Why?
    First you say you weren't talking about quality but just price. then you direct us towards reviews and i can only assume you are referring to the quality here as we do not need reviews for prices.
    And now you are talking about price again since it has already been established that similar quality lenses by Nikon and Canon are priced comparably.

    Have you made up your mind what it is that you are arguing about?
    And it's not like Minolta made bad lenses, so why shouldn't we use Minolta glass?
    Tamron and Sigma are cheap alternatives as well. Hopefully Tokina will join in as well.
    Ideally we would all want a full Sony/CZ lineup but none of us here are Pros so we only have selective Sony glass lineup.
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