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  1. #1
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    Talking Going Old School

    I got a very early birthday present from my spouse's family. My spouse has been cleaning out the mother-in-law's house and garage in anticipation of selling the house she can no longer keep up. He came across his father and mother's camera equipment. The family decided I was the best recipient.

    ***WARNING***
    Non-Sony camera manufacturer names will be appearing.


    So, new FF A900, meet the old Yashica Mat medium format camera:
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    The Yashica Mat is in great condition (considering it's been stored in the garage) and hasn't been used for about 20 years. The shutter is a bit erratic and will need a clean and lube. Our new old set up for this camera includes quite a bit:
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    We have the original leather case with engraved name-plate. We have the camera body with protective leather cover. We have a set of Rondo No. 1 and No. 2 Close-Up lenses (with the original instruction leaflets in Japanese). We have a full set of B&W filters (Kenko SR 60 2 (red); Walz WYG (green); Walz UV; and Walz WY2 (yellow)). We have the light meter which is currently inoperable. We have the flash set up with original battery - manufacture year, 1967. And we have the telescoping tripod with original leather case (not pictured).

    The one thing I can't figure out is the manufacturer brochure in the case was for a Yashica J-5.

    Second in the line-up:
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    We have the Canonet QL f1.9 with the original protective leather case, cap and instruction manual. It appears the problem with this one is that the battery is no longer manufactured. So I'll have to reasearch replacement batteries.

    Third in the line-up:
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    We have the Canonet. This one featured the "Electric Eye" meter system:
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    which was so successful ... it was only manufactured one year. And, guess what is wrong with this camera ... you guessed it ... the meter cell is dead. The only other issue is the shutter speed is a little slow, but not bad considering it too has not been used for about 20+ years.
    Darin Wessel
    α 900
    Zooms: Tamron SP AF70-200mm f2.8 Di LD Macro; Sigma 28-90mm D macro, Konica-Minolta 18-70 f3.5-5.6
    Primes: Minolta 28mm f2.8; Sony 50mm f1.4
    Minolta RC-1000 remote commander

    Film:
    Calumet Cambo CC400 4x5 View Camera
    YashikaMat 6x6 TLR (other accessories)
    Minolta Maxxum 7000 w/ Minolta 35-80mm f/4-5.6 & Minolta 2800 flash
    Minolta Maxxum 5000i & Vivitar 728 AFM flash
    What's next???

  2. #2
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    Wow, what a cool set up. I have a bit of a fetish for rangefinder cameras. The Canonets are typically good. The Yashica Mat is very cool. I hope to shoot some medium format down the road. Very good partners for an A900. Congrats!
    Jason Hamilton
    Selective Frame

    EOS 5D - Canon EF 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5 USM, EF 35 f/2, EF 50mm f/1.8 Mk II, EF 70-210 f/3.5-4.5 USM, EF 85mm f/1.8 USM, EF 100mm f/2.8 Macro, Helios 44-2 58mm f/2 (with EOS adapter), 430EX, Canon S90
    Nikon FE - Nikkor 35mm f/2 AI'd, Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 AI, Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 AI, F to EF adapter, 2xVivitar 285, other lighting stuff
    Mamiya C220 - 80mm f/2.8

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  3. #3
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    Test Weekend

    I'm going to test the YashikaMat this weekend. I plan on doing a side by side comparison ... A900 vs. Old School medium format film YashikaMat.

    Of course, while the A900 results can be posted immediately, the YashikaMat suffers from a thing some of you may remember ... sending film out for developing.

    BTW, in reading though posts about this old school camera, one of the posts asked about the ISO dial on the camera and whether it changed the ISO of the film. How quickly the new generation loses touch with how things used to be done. Just watch an old TV series like Adam 12 or Dragnet and you will see them stopping the car to use a pay phone to make a telephone call. How quickly we forget about things like that as we use our voice activated dialing on our cell phone while driving.
    Darin Wessel
    α 900
    Zooms: Tamron SP AF70-200mm f2.8 Di LD Macro; Sigma 28-90mm D macro, Konica-Minolta 18-70 f3.5-5.6
    Primes: Minolta 28mm f2.8; Sony 50mm f1.4
    Minolta RC-1000 remote commander

    Film:
    Calumet Cambo CC400 4x5 View Camera
    YashikaMat 6x6 TLR (other accessories)
    Minolta Maxxum 7000 w/ Minolta 35-80mm f/4-5.6 & Minolta 2800 flash
    Minolta Maxxum 5000i & Vivitar 728 AFM flash
    What's next???

  4. #4
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    Ebay!.......

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    Ebay????

    Well, I quickly learned why SLRs took off over the look-down to compose and focus of the twin lens reflex. What a pain in the #%@.

    In addition, when you see a shot at eye level, you have to remember that your composure is going to be from about one foot lower than eye level.
    Darin Wessel
    α 900
    Zooms: Tamron SP AF70-200mm f2.8 Di LD Macro; Sigma 28-90mm D macro, Konica-Minolta 18-70 f3.5-5.6
    Primes: Minolta 28mm f2.8; Sony 50mm f1.4
    Minolta RC-1000 remote commander

    Film:
    Calumet Cambo CC400 4x5 View Camera
    YashikaMat 6x6 TLR (other accessories)
    Minolta Maxxum 7000 w/ Minolta 35-80mm f/4-5.6 & Minolta 2800 flash
    Minolta Maxxum 5000i & Vivitar 728 AFM flash
    What's next???

  6. #6
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    It's a "belly shot." A different perspective, for sure. Like that of ... a child. How sweet. LOL
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

  7. #7
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    Digital vs Film

    I've recently read several photography books in which the authors suggest that today's APS-C sized sensor cameras produce image quality equivalent to 35mm film, that Full Frame sensor cameras produce image quality equivalent to medium format film, and that medium format sensor cameras produce image quality equivalent to 4x5" film.

    I would venture to say that it is difficult to do a true comparison. When comparing printed images, the digitally captured images of today's cameras seem to be more limited by the quality of the printer as compared to the film image. Likewise, it would seem that a digitally comparison is difficult because the scanned version of the film image is limited by the quality of the scanner.

    Here's at least a (marginal) digital comparison of two recent shots taken in Lake Tahoe:
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    A900 Full-Frame with Tamron 70-200 @ 70mm, f/11, 1/60 (-1 step bias), ISO 100
    Captured in RAW, converted to JPEG, resized for web at 10%

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    YashikaMat Medium Format 6x6cm (2 1/4 x 2 1/4") @ 80mm, f/11, 1/50th, ISO 100
    Profesionally processed and scanned, resized for web at 29.1%

    Now, to represent the photos about the same size in this post, you can see already that the sizing for web is different.

    Overall, in my non-scientific opinion, I would say that today's APS-C is at least equivalent in resolution to a medium format film camera, today's FF equivalent in resolution to a 4x5 camera and so on.

    Where the real comparison is, is in cost per photograph!!! Without accounting for camera/lens costs:

    Digital images printed, about $1/shot for 5x7 (processing near free [if you figure the cost of Photo Shop/# images processed]; Digital image printing - 5x7" about $1/photo if sent to an outside printing company).

    My medium format color film costs about $3.16/shot for 5x5 (1 roll 120 color print film @ 12 frames/roll = +/-$8; process, 5x5 prints and scan @ $30/roll).

    My 35mm color film costs about $1.58/shot for 5x7 (1 roll 35 mm color print film @ 36 frames/roll = +/- $5/roll; process, 5x7 prints and scan @ +/- $52/roll)
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    Darin Wessel
    α 900
    Zooms: Tamron SP AF70-200mm f2.8 Di LD Macro; Sigma 28-90mm D macro, Konica-Minolta 18-70 f3.5-5.6
    Primes: Minolta 28mm f2.8; Sony 50mm f1.4
    Minolta RC-1000 remote commander

    Film:
    Calumet Cambo CC400 4x5 View Camera
    YashikaMat 6x6 TLR (other accessories)
    Minolta Maxxum 7000 w/ Minolta 35-80mm f/4-5.6 & Minolta 2800 flash
    Minolta Maxxum 5000i & Vivitar 728 AFM flash
    What's next???

  8. #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWessel View Post
    .Overall, in my non-scientific opinion, I would say that today's APS-C is at least equivalent in resolution to a medium format film camera, today's FF equivalent in resolution to a 4x5 camera and so on.
    darin...juts trying to understand your post in context of the result. firstly, not sure why you keep saying apsc in your post cos you shoot a FF camera. secondly the a900 pic looks like shit compared to the yashica one. actually, to be honest it looks pretty crappy just in general.

    based on your test you'd have to say that the yashica completly and utterly destroys the a900 based on IQ.
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  9. #9
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    Rooz, thanks for your kind words.

    I've shot APS-C in the past and FF now with the A900.

    You did correctly note a significant difference in the images. And, you helped me realize I chose a version of the A900 shot where I was really experimenting with the color tempurature settings.

    So, here's an alternate comparison:

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    A900, daylight White Balance.

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    YashikaMat cropped to match, sized to match

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    A900, daylight WB; PP w/ 10% increase in shadow and 25% increase in midtone contrast

    Now, I suppose where one big difference in the image quality is the film's ordinary 12 step range vs. the average digital 4 step range. It would be interesting to compare a film shot with an identical scene shot going digital HDR.
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    Darin Wessel
    α 900
    Zooms: Tamron SP AF70-200mm f2.8 Di LD Macro; Sigma 28-90mm D macro, Konica-Minolta 18-70 f3.5-5.6
    Primes: Minolta 28mm f2.8; Sony 50mm f1.4
    Minolta RC-1000 remote commander

    Film:
    Calumet Cambo CC400 4x5 View Camera
    YashikaMat 6x6 TLR (other accessories)
    Minolta Maxxum 7000 w/ Minolta 35-80mm f/4-5.6 & Minolta 2800 flash
    Minolta Maxxum 5000i & Vivitar 728 AFM flash
    What's next???

  10. #10
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    Rooz, thanks for your kind words.

    So, here's an alternate comparison:

    A900, daylight White Balance.

    YashikaMat cropped to match, sized to match

    Now, I suppose where one big difference in the image quality is the film's ordinary 12 step range vs. the average digital 4 step range. It would be interesting to compare a film shot with an identical scene shot going digital HDR.
    Yashica still wins by a good margin. Contrast or something seems to be off on the Sony. Whites are dull, etc.

    A lot of famous shots have been made with a TLR, such as the shot of Charles Lindbergh looking off.
    Pentax K20D/K5/15/21/40/70/10-17/12-24, Sigma 17-70 2.8-4.5/150-500, Tamron 90 Macro/70-200 2.8, Canon SX20 IS/Elph 500HS
    (formerly Pentax 50 1.4/50-200/55-300/K100D, Sigma 18-50 2.8/70-300 APO, Tamron 28-75, Viv 800, Tele-Tokina 800, Canon S3 IS, Samsung L210)
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