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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by laydros View Post
    Sounds like a pretty ideal setup. Having 16mm on FF and 400mm on APS-C is such a great possibility. Here's some devil's advocate food for thought though.

    I'd say in the short term you could get the 17-35 f/2.8-4 and the Sony 70-300G. They are about a 1/4 of the price, and offer a lot of the quality. You and I have never even had an UWA, so I doubt we would miss another stop of light, when you're already getting into the 24-70's range, and if you are selling your 75-300, you probably can get away with not having 400 for a while.

    Other than that, the layout is hard to beat. Might be nice to add something like the CZ-135, or the CS 16-80 as a walkaround for the APS-C. Since moving to Canon, I now have access to a lot of lenses I wished I had on Sony, but Canon doesn't have something of the quality, range, and price of that 16-80. Closest we have is a 17-85 4-5.6 which isn't known for great quality, and is obviously quite a bit slower.

    I think you might be able to do something different on the flash. The 42 would be nice for travel. It's always good to have an on-camera tilt, swivel TTL flash for quick and dirty. However for the price of a couple of 42AMs, you can buy pocket wizards and Vivtar 385's instead. However, the Minolta wireless flash seems to be the best, and in most situations works as well as the pocket wizards.

    Also I'd add the CZ 135. Good sports lens on APS-C and good portrait lens on FF.
    I don't really want to buy any more lenses that I will end up upgrading, perhaps with the exception of an UWA 10mm zoom that I may get just for a trip and sell it afterwards. I've considered the 70-300mm in the mean time, but would rather just save up and get what I want and have something nice, although I could've gotten one for really cheap ~$550.

    With 16-35mm on the FF and 24-70mm on APS-C, I have the 16-105mm range covered between the two cameras.

    Thanks for the tip about PW, I have no experience with strobing and my extent of PW is that it's just a radio wireless trigger?
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

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    Yeah, PW is off camera trigger. I've been reading through strobist 101 lately, and playing with stuff some. Of course my 430 can't be used off camera without something else, that was really nice with the Minolta system.

    I hear you on not upgrading, but I've recently realized how much I care about weight. I pretty much carry my backpack with my laptop for work and camera stuff all the time, and it gets heavy. You understand this better than I do since you have the Tammy 70-200.

    I kinda decided I can't afford all of the L glass I want yet, so I'm starting with some lightweight stuff. Gets me by for now, and later will be nice for travel. However, you already have a good basic kit, so maybe it doesn't make sense for you to add anymore in between stuff. That 100mm probably makes a good lightweight replacement for the 70-200 when you don't want to carry it.
    Jason Hamilton
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by laydros View Post
    Yeah, PW is off camera trigger. I've been reading through strobist 101 lately, and playing with stuff some. Of course my 430 can't be used off camera without something else, that was really nice with the Minolta system.

    I hear you on not upgrading, but I've recently realized how much I care about weight. I pretty much carry my backpack with my laptop for work and camera stuff all the time, and it gets heavy. You understand this better than I do since you have the Tammy 70-200.

    I kinda decided I can't afford all of the L glass I want yet, so I'm starting with some lightweight stuff. Gets me by for now, and later will be nice for travel. However, you already have a good basic kit, so maybe it doesn't make sense for you to add anymore in between stuff. That 100mm probably makes a good lightweight replacement for the 70-200 when you don't want to carry it.
    The last nature walk I did, I packed the 70-200mm and the 100mm macro on the A300 in the main compartment of a Slingshot 200. In the outer compartment was an extra battery and CPL. In the top compartment I stuffed my F58 flash and kit lens. It came out to be I think ~8lbs when I weighed it. It wasn't bad at all for a nature type kit. In the end, I only used the A300 with the 100mm macro and didn't need to change. The hawk we saw was too far and there wasn't any real interesting landscapes to bust out the kit lens.

    Now on my Toronto trip with my backpack, laptop, 70-200, 17-50, flash, chargers and cables, and some travel stuff, it got quick bulky and pretty heavy, luckily I didn't have to carry it around too much as I was able to unload at the hotel.
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    Makes me wish I had waited a couple of months on the A900.

    I'm in the process of expanding my lens collection and I find some of the pricing fascinating in a ??? type of way. For example, Sony's 50/2.8 macro ($449) is more expensive than its 50/1.4 ($349) while Sigma is the reverse with its 50/2.8 macro ($255) substantially less than its 50/1.4 ($459). Huh? Go figure.

    Well, unfortunately if prices are going up, it means I'm looking for alternatives or expanding my time line for lens purchases. Too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWessel View Post
    Makes me wish I had waited a couple of months on the A900.

    I'm in the process of expanding my lens collection and I find some of the pricing fascinating in a ??? type of way. For example, Sony's 50/2.8 macro ($449) is more expensive than its 50/1.4 ($349) while Sigma is the reverse with its 50/2.8 macro ($255) substantially less than its 50/1.4 ($459). Huh? Go figure.

    Well, unfortunately if prices are going up, it means I'm looking for alternatives or expanding my time line for lens purchases. Too bad.
    The Sony is a specialized type of lens, very sharp wide open (it's a macro)

    The sigma's macro I think is an older design, not as good optically, third party, and lacks HSM which the Sigma 50mm F/1.4 has (it's a newer design).

    So what is in your lens collection to back up that camera?
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post
    The Sony is a specialized type of lens, very sharp wide open (it's a macro)

    The sigma's macro I think is an older design, not as good optically, third party, and lacks HSM which the Sigma 50mm F/1.4 has (it's a newer design).

    So what is in your lens collection to back up that camera?
    I was starting from scratch. Moved straight from a fixed lens to the A900.

    I have the Tamron SP AF 70-200mm f2.8 Di LD IF Macro.
    Sony 50mm f1.4 expected to arrive in a matter of days.

    I'll be adding a wide angle to fill the range lower than 70mm and probably a 500mm reflex.
    Darin Wessel
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    Zooms: Tamron SP AF70-200mm f2.8 Di LD Macro; Sigma 28-90mm D macro, Konica-Minolta 18-70 f3.5-5.6
    Primes: Minolta 28mm f2.8; Sony 50mm f1.4
    Minolta RC-1000 remote commander

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    Calumet Cambo CC400 4x5 View Camera
    YashikaMat 6x6 TLR (other accessories)
    Minolta Maxxum 7000 w/ Minolta 35-80mm f/4-5.6 & Minolta 2800 flash
    Minolta Maxxum 5000i & Vivitar 728 AFM flash
    What's next???

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWessel View Post
    I was starting from scratch. Moved straight from a fixed lens to the A900.

    I have the Tamron SP AF 70-200mm f2.8 Di LD IF Macro.
    Sony 50mm f1.4 expected to arrive in a matter of days.

    I'll be adding a wide angle to fill the range lower than 70mm and probably a 500mm reflex.
    Sounds like a nice all around kit. A couple of the guys here say good things about the Minolta 17-35 f/2.8-4 if you are looking to keep it cheap. Next step up is the very hard to find G (I think it is also 17-35) and of course ideally the CZ 16-35. From what I have read the G is almost as good as the CZ (except for SSM) but for about 1/2 the price. One of those plus the 50 and the 70-200 makes for a hell of a kit on full frame. As for the 500mm reflex, you are getting a very compact lens, but with some sacrifices, bokeh being the most obvious one. There are some decent zooms that cover that range from 3rd parties, but they are huge.
    Jason Hamilton
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    Nikon FE - Nikkor 35mm f/2 AI'd, Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 AI, Nikkor 105mm f/2.5 AI, F to EF adapter, 2xVivitar 285, other lighting stuff
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by laydros View Post
    Sounds like a nice all around kit. A couple of the guys here say good things about the Minolta 17-35 f/2.8-4 if you are looking to keep it cheap. Next step up is the very hard to find G (I think it is also 17-35) and of course ideally the CZ 16-35. From what I have read the G is almost as good as the CZ (except for SSM) but for about 1/2 the price. One of those plus the 50 and the 70-200 makes for a hell of a kit on full frame. As for the 500mm reflex, you are getting a very compact lens, but with some sacrifices, bokeh being the most obvious one. There are some decent zooms that cover that range from 3rd parties, but they are huge.
    This might be of interest comparing the two lenses.

    http://artaphot.ch/index.php?option=...=161&Itemid=43
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWessel View Post
    and probably a 500mm reflex.
    i couldnt think of a worse lens to put on a hi res full frame body. even if it is only a sony.
    D800e l V1 l AW1 l 16-35 l 35 l 50 l 85 l 105 l EM1 l EP5 l 7.5 l 12-40 l 14 l 17 l 25 l 45 l 60 l 75
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    Always more things to think about when trying to set up a lens collection! it's to bad money has to go into the factoring eh! Well as I spent the weekend working a huge event including a 17 hr shift on Saturday my camera fund will take a nice big jump. and I have a few other shows on schedule. So time to really start looking and asking for advice guys! The 58 flash? do i really need the tamron 35-70? What about a 24-105, Don has had problems? Can't pop for CZ135 this year, have to wait a month or two before the tamron 200-500? Do I get a VG or wait and see if a new body really is on the way? LOL choices choices!!
    Sony A700_____________Minolta AF 50mm. F/1.7
    Minolta AF 70-210mm F/3.5-4.5 Tamron AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR DiII LD Asp. [IF]
    Tamron SP AF 70-200mm. F/2.8 DI LD [IF] Macro
    Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2
    Tokina AF 28-70mm F/3.5-4.5
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