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  1. #21
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    *sigh....

    It looks like these new DT and this lens in discussion have AF/MF switches in the ones on display at PMA. That means that they probably have motors in them . Maybe Sony will call it SM? And maybe like Nikon, Sony will phase out screw-drive mounts in their low-end bodies. I don't particularly see this as a good road to go down now (if they wanted to start with the A200-300 series, then would have been a good time, not now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooz View Post
    we've been thru this before, i;m not going to go there again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    I do not blame you ... you are out in the open and exposed to the almighty buck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post
    *sigh....

    It looks like these new DT and this lens in discussion have AF/MF switches in the ones on display at PMA. That means that they probably have motors in them . Maybe Sony will call it SM? And maybe like Nikon, Sony will phase out screw-drive mounts in their low-end bodies. I don't particularly see this as a good road to go down now (if they wanted to start with the A200-300 series, then would have been a good time, not now.
    Somewhere is all the discussion and hub-bub, it was brought up that the 200-300 were going to be discontinued. You might just be on to something, Ryan. Too many unanswered questions ... and that leaves the minds to wander. Looking at the rear of the lenses (the mount) would be quite revealing, also.

    One of the points of contention is the non-definite approach SONY made when they presented these lenses at PMA, leaving people to wonder just how committed they were to even release them. So, Alpha takes it on the chin for the moment, to clear the decks for the intro of the DSC-HX1. With it coming out in April with 10 fps @ 9MP, 20x zoom and 100-shot panorama for a mere $500 ... this could be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post
    *sigh....

    It looks like these new DT and this lens in discussion have AF/MF switches in the ones on display at PMA. That means that they probably have motors in them . Maybe Sony will call it SM? And maybe like Nikon, Sony will phase out screw-drive mounts in their low-end bodies. I don't particularly see this as a good road to go down now (if they wanted to start with the A200-300 series, then would have been a good time, not now.

    Much better picture. Very interesting to see the switches. I think that makes things sound a little better.

    This announcement, especially when it turned out to just be concepts, didn't do much to help me feel like I should stay on Sony. The idea of going to more internal motors sounds good though. The plastic mounts though, don't help.
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    They do have motors in them. Sony is calling them "AF Actuators" for now. I think they should call them sonic motors (SM) because they aren't the higher end SSM.

    What about the mounts, they're cheap plastic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post
    They do have motors in them. Sony is calling them "AF Actuators" for now. I think they should call them sonic motors (SM) because they aren't the higher end SSM.

    What about the mounts, they're cheap plastic?
    You can see in the picture that the 28-75 is the only one with a metal mount. Where did you find that pic and the extra info, I haven't seen it anywhere yet?
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    It's a metal mount because it's intended for use on a full frame (high end) camera.

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    Cool Getting real ... not promotional

    Quote Originally Posted by Peekayoh View Post
    It's a metal mount because it's intended for use on a full frame (high end) camera.
    Pete, that's simply not true ... they are plastic because they are cheap to manufacture. Several of DT line-up of lenses have metal mounts. For example:
    • DT 16-105mm,
    • CZ DT 16-80 f/3.5-4.5,
    • DT 11-18mm f/4.5-5.6,
    • DT 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3


    All I ask is that we be specific, somewhat fair and not too sweeping in our announcement of fact.

    Here are a couple candids (courtesy of a DPR positng) from the PMA 09 show:

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    That 50mm looks about as understated as it gets.

    Where is the highly touted DT 10-24mm f/3.5-4.5 UWA? Now, that could have garnered some real interest in the line-up.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 03-04-2009 at 11:25 AM.
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