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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    Rooz ... I spent the better part of a day, just lurking in the SONY Style store, just to see who was buying what. Of the three people, during that time, that asked to look at the A900, two asked for a high-end lens to test it with. Okay, fine ... no lens, no sale.

    Four people asked to see the A700 ... one specifically asked for the CZ 85mm f/1.4 to go with it. No lens ... no sale.

    Of the several lesser cameras ... no one asked to see any of the high-end glass. They seemed to be content with the kit lenses and the 18-200/250 that was on the shelf.

    Now, I was only in there for about four hours, discussing different aspects of the cameras with the sales guy ... showing him the ins and outs of the camera. Obviously, no one but a photographer would be interested ... unless they were trying to sell stuff to photographers.

    The bottom line is ... when you are trying to decide on new glass for your rig, it is kind of cool to take a couple for a "test drive", without all the fuss of having to mail it back if it doesn't cut it. I don't know how you can even suggest that "mail order" is the preferred method of operating. Had I gotten a chance to try out my SONY AF 70-200mm f/2.8 G SSM lens, in person, I would not have purchased it, after finding out that it was defective. That was a major hassle. I could have avoided two months of angst ... but no ... you think everything is hunky-dory in ol' Lensland. Well, I am here to tell you different. If you get a chance to evaluate some glass before buying it ... I highly recommend you do. "Factory Sealed" only means that some jamoke hasn't played with your lens. It does nothing to assure against manufacturer defect or hidden damage. Only an on-hand inspection can do that.

    Personally, I am sick and tired of floating glass back and forth through the shipping/mail system.

    I have to ask ... "are you getting this?"
    i'm getting it all too well Don. you have too much time on your hands if your lurking around sonystyle stores spying on peoples buying...correction...PERUSING habits. how do you know if they DID have the lens they were going to buy it anyway ? how do you know they werent just another tyre kicker like you ?

    and despite yet another wordy Don rant...you fail to answer the crux of the issue at hand. answer the question....

    what exactly are you asking for ? every manufacturer to stock every retailer with all of their premium glass ?

    as for trying out the 70-200 lens. thats yet another arguement devoid of logic. the lens' i have bought are all sealed/ if i get an unsealed box i can sure as hell tell you its going back. i'm buying NEW, not a display model where every man and his dog can handle it, play with it, shoot with it, get dust in it and put their grubby mits all over it. bugger that for a joke.

    so by your logic, the retailer would have to say to you...FINE Don, you PAY for the lens before i break the seal and if its defective then i'll get you another one...but if you wanna handle it, you BUY it.

    you'll have to do alot better than type out such nonsense to make your point with me.
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    It's getting hot in here

    Did somebody buy OP's gears already?

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    Don you should know better than go talk to the Sony Store sales people about DSLRs. non of them are qualified photographers or even own an a700 let alone a a900 to give you their opinion on it other than what is in the brochure.

    i realized a long time ago, just because those monkeys wear a suit don't mean they no more than the guy at burger king.

    i suppose the problem is mostly because Sony is not dedicated to any one kind of equipment and have their hands into everything.

    Henry's had a photographic expo in October and the buddy doing the demo and marketing for the a900 was a marketing/ad photographer. i had a talk with him between sessions and he had no clue about what some of the functions did and he was only given the a900 1 week before the expo to learn and to market it. he was a Canon shooter.
    the Sigma guy knew more than the Sony guys there and promised 7 new lenses for the A-Mount soon.
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    No, I have have found out, as many others have, that a trip to the SONY Style store is not going to produce much in the way of education ... but rather turns out to be an education for the sales person working there. I have no problem helping out these guys ... knowing that SONY has them on the defensive. I want to see the SONY product lines succeed, personally, for the health of my own camera system. Providing a few hours of discussion to a local retailer is a small investment.

    While I appreciate Rooz being mindful of MY use of time, believe me, I know we all have done far worse.

    I honestly enjoy the sales aspect of these devices ... and really would like to see the SONY DSLR system sweep the nation as the "obvious choice" for the beginning and hobby photographer. There are a lot of "new" folks getting into DSLR photography and supporting them with a fresh approach to steadier ALL lens Image Stability just seems to be the way to go.

    I suggest that Canon and Nikon can have the pro-line if they so desire. It would be hard to switch anyone already involved with tens of thousand of dollars (if not a lot more) in equipment, anyway. SONY's remarkable climb back into the market, under such limited marketing as SONY Style and Best Buy has just astounded many. Fighting established markets is a rough row to hoe ... but, what the hell, the entire financial market is in flux, anyway.

    Perhaps, if the DSLR becomes even more popular, they will establish a larger support level for the camera section of the store, dedicated solely to the camera line. I honestly don't remember any Minolta stores, they always were a small section in any store. SONY has a big leg up, here. They have their stores, already. I would like to see it grow a bit more, become more focused and have a larger impact, eventually negating the Nikon and Canon domination of the camera markets.
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    my suggestion to Sony would be to hire at least 1 amateur photographer at least for each store and train them on their DSLR systems.
    cause we all know they sure as hell won't hire a pro or a veteran if they had to pay more than $10 an hour.
    if they had at least one DSLR enthusiast rep in the store, they would do much better.
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    Thumbs up In the know ...

    Elisha,

    You need to consider the mission of the store, too. Their job is to sell equipment to the public. If the sales person gets too involved with the interests of the customers, overall sales does suffer. It is a hard mix ... and I think we can all appreciate that. After speaking with the staff of the store, SONY is reducing hours of the entire bunch, due to the economic downturn. Having them hire a "real gun" for each store is going to be a bit further down the road, coupled with departmental expansion. It is exasperating, but a reflection of the times.

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    has an interesting way of doing things, with their occasional "guest speaker" or "training specialist" who comes in, at a scheduled time, and actually charges for attendance to the sessions. They have a small room ... and I mean it is cramped when packed with attendees ... and they get upwards of 20 people @ $35 (and up) each for a couple hours. The basic courses fill up pretty fast. I'm sure other larger camera stores do likewise. SONY has started their "Backstage 101" forum, which offers limited information ... but, it is a start. Obviously, there is some interest in development of the site to be more than just an "online catalog."

    Education
    seems to be the wave of investment, because once you have the camera in hand ... it would be really handy knowing how to use the darn thing. I have spent a lot of time on this forum, trying to assist those who have asked. I've often done it at some expense ... but I take a lot of satisfaction when someone kicks back an improved effort, having overcome their issue and is looking to move forward with their craft. I figure we are all better for it. I suspect there are many others on the DCRP that feel relatively the same way.
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    My time at OfficeMax and Kinko's taught me a lot about how education is handled in retailers. Kinko's at least made an effort to train employees on policy and a little bit on how to use things like the point of sale system. There wasn't really any mandatory formal training for things like how to run the copier or use Photoshop, but some of it was available, and that stuff varied enough from store to store to make it difficult.

    OfficeMax however was a disaster. At 16 years old with nothing other than my own dicking around I became the electronics supervisor, and a lot of it was because I honestly knew a lot more about the products than most people. HP made an effort to offer online training, but any other training was from the few reps that would show up, mostly printer companies. If OfficeMax hired someone that didn't have a background in technology, they were pretty much reading the descriptions on the box while the customer was standing there. Not such a problem with printers or point and shoot digital cameras, but a big problem with RAM (this was when there was still SDRAM, Rambus, and DDR) or networking hardware.

    My little experience with a Sony retail store, which was an outlet that sold refurb stuff, led me to believe Sony makes a little more effort to train employees, they at least knew a little about the stereo equipment. But I expect Sony takes much the same route. I don't know how much I would say nasty stuff about the employees at some of these retail places. Most of the people I worked with at those places were high school kids (like me) or bottom feeders, but once in a while you would get someone good. They typically had been laid off from a much higher paying job, and were working hard to keep feeding their family.
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    LOL, this thread isn't even about my gear anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GotToyota? View Post
    LOL, this thread isn't even about my gear anymore.
    you just created a Sony lounge....
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    Where did this post go awry?

    Where did this post go awry? Oh yeah I remember...

    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    I do believe, given enough time ... Canon will be crushed like a pop can ... but, don't quote me on that.
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