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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beowulff View Post
    I'm sorry, but with all due respect, I have to strongly disagree with this proposal.

    Why should this site (or any photography review site for that matter) be the purview of only "serious" photographers? What exactly do you mean by a "serious" photographer anyway?

    As the current owner of four (2 fully auto) point 'n' shoot digital cameras who's also been shooting for more than 50 years with 35mm film cameras, am I considered not to be a "serious" photographer?

    It's perfectly acceptable for you not to consider cameras without a WA lens and manual controls (it's a free world!) and that's your decision, but please don't suggest that DCResource should ignore the multitude of top-notch cameras out there that don't have those features... such as the Panasonic TZ7 which doesn't have any manual modes such as aperture priority.

    It's unrealistic to suggest that Jeff shouldn't review the TZ7, as it's a great 12x pocketable, fully auto point 'n shooter, with a lovely 460,000 dot 3" LCD.

    And as I've said before, I really dislike this implied camera "snobbery" — or the imaginary delineation between "serious" photographers and the rest of us who don't know, apparently, what we're talking about.

    Cheers
    While I'm always keeping my eyes open for a decent advanced camera (although I'm not ready to buy one now, as I already have an SX10), I also look a little at more entry level compacts, just to see how things are going there. I'd like to see a review site that puts the same effort into reviewing all cameras (fully-auto ultracompacts, even if it's not from a well-known manufacturer, unless it's a particularly bad camera) that imaging-resource and dpreview combined put into reviewing each high-end full-frame dSLR. Now it seems that dpreview AND imaging-resource will only give the full treatment to a review if the camera has a large sensor AND an interchangeable lens mount. (No, I wouldn't expect Jeff to take that task on, unless he gets a LOT of help!) Also it'd be nice to see every camera that's announced reviewed (and if a camera doesn't get reviewed, it means there are some serious flaws with that model (but if lots of people are buying it maybe it should be reviewed to bring the flaws to our attention)), but likewise I won't expect Jeff to do that by himself.

  2. #42
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    To review or not to review?

    I agree with the contention that certain review sites are becoming more "tailored" to suit their specific readership sector, whether that's entry-level, amateur, advanced amateur, or semi-professional.

    DCRP's reviews of even the dSLRs are an excellent balance of "need-to-know" technicalities, coupled with a broad summation of a camera's "usability" from the viewpoint of most amateur users. As an advanced amateur, I find DCRP's overall approach, the range of cameras reviewed, and the balance of high-tech and hands-on considerations pretty well perfect. I also relate well to Jeff's "informal" style of journalism; he doesn't patronise novices, nor starve the more technically-inclined, and I quite often feel as though he's talking directly to me almost face-to-face.

    Sites such as DPReview on the other hand have chosen (which is, of course, their prerogative) to conduct their reviews at a much deeper technical level, with lots of graphs and tables and timings etc aimed at the semi-professionals. They also favour dSLRs, and now only review three or four point 'n' shooters or bridges over a 12-month period and only the Canon SX1 so far this year.

    As I have very little interest these days in dSLRs, I seldom read their reviews any more, simply because I'm tired of wading through 30-pages of luminance and noise graphs, and dozens of comparison samples dissected to the nth degree.

    On those criteria then, I'm more than happy with Jeff's current (and hopefully ongoing!) style and choice of review cameras.

    Cheers

  3. #43
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    I agree. Jeff's reviews are easy to follow, very comprehensive and, most importantly, consistent.

    Back to the topic:
    I would love to see a review of the Panasonic fx580/550. Why? Because it has a new engine, good manual controls (on paper) and (again, on paper) would seem to be the only possible rival to the Fuji f200EXR, with a faster lens and other options, but only if it can do well in low light. The beautiful LX3 can't do it. I see no other ultra compacts that offer WA relatively fast lenses, manual controls and decent telephotos that have any hope in low light. Touch screen features might be interesting, or might be annoying. But this camera looks more interesting than most others in its class.

    No one does these reviews like Jeff, but I know he's only human (we'll ignore the rumours...). Thanks Jeff!

  4. #44
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    Just one thing I'd like to ask in relation to the upcoming, much-anticipated f200EXR review (since I mentioned consistency):

    Is it possible to include the church interior shot at similar ISOs to the other reviews? ISO800 is fine, but I notice most of the other cameras' samples are ISO400, 500 or maybe 640. It is not so helpful to compare 800 to 400, even though I know you're testing the SN setting. Why not compare 400 and 800 between cameras, as these will be the most commonly used high ISOs in low light.

    BTW, in all my net research, I have concluded that, in low light, for anything up to ISO400, HR is better than SN. For ISO800 up, SN is better than HR, but DR is way better for ISO800 than SN, and returns more detail. It is even better than DR at ISO400, for some reason. I haven't seen this referred to in any review, probably because DR is not meant to be for high sensitivities. Since no other camera has these features, it needs extra comparison data to make it useful.

    Just a request if you have time, but it is very interesting.

    Cheers,
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by NezumiChu View Post
    I would love to see a review of the Panasonic fx580/550.
    I will be getting ahold of the FX580 next week. I need to figure out how I'm going to review all of these cameras now!!
    Jeff Keller
    Founder/Editor, Digital Camera Resource Page

  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr4gon View Post
    So, whatever happened to the A900 final review? I was really looking forward to the usual tests and run through. I see DCRP didn't get an Canon 1Ti in time, but didn't see any news regarding the A900 at all and it's been months. Any news would be appreciated

    me too was wondering the same, but then i remembered that it is forbidden to ask Jeff when he will review a particular camera. it might be forbidden even to wonder !

  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Keller View Post
    I will be getting ahold of the FX580 next week. I need to figure out how I'm going to review all of these cameras now!!
    That's great Jeff!

    I think all these camera companies really need to schedule their releases based on your review schedule - that is, if they really want to sell 'em... Do they really think we'll just go out and buy the next one off the rank without reading your reviews first?!?

    Keenly looking forward to the EXR and 580 reviews. Thank you.

  8. #48
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    Hi Jeff,

    do you still have the F200EXR? If so, could you please complete the review? The most important part is still missing... I told the following in the F200EXR thread:

    "if you ever do a F200EXR review, please have a look at how it behaves in 'normal' modes (Auto, P, M) with picture size set to 6MP. It has already been verified that then setting DR to more than 100% will automatically switch the camera to EXR DR mode. Some people have also suggested that choosing DR=100% and a high ISO setting, e.g. 3200, will automatically switch the camera to EXR SN mode. Since the special EXR SN mode which can be chosen manually is limited to ISO1600, this would be an important issue. Please include 6MP ISO3200 pictures in your review, if you are doing one - no-one else has done that so far."

    So, please go ahead and have another go with the camera set to 6MP with DR100% and show us how the ISO3200 studio picture looks like then! Should be a really big difference to the 12MP ISO3200 picture. It is not nice that Fuji has hidden so well how the camera uses SN and DR modes even outside the EXR setting, but it should still be noted in the review.

    Best Regards,
    malamut

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    Quote Originally Posted by malamut View Post
    Hi Jeff,

    do you still have the F200EXR? If so, could you please complete the review? The most important part is still missing... I told the following in the F200EXR thread:

    "if you ever do a F200EXR review, please have a look at how it behaves in 'normal' modes (Auto, P, M) with picture size set to 6MP. It has already been verified that then setting DR to more than 100% will automatically switch the camera to EXR DR mode. Some people have also suggested that choosing DR=100% and a high ISO setting, e.g. 3200, will automatically switch the camera to EXR SN mode. Since the special EXR SN mode which can be chosen manually is limited to ISO1600, this would be an important issue. Please include 6MP ISO3200 pictures in your review, if you are doing one - no-one else has done that so far."

    So, please go ahead and have another go with the camera set to 6MP with DR100% and show us how the ISO3200 studio picture looks like then! Should be a really big difference to the 12MP ISO3200 picture. It is not nice that Fuji has hidden so well how the camera uses SN and DR modes even outside the EXR setting, but it should still be noted in the review.

    Best Regards,
    malamut
    I do have a comparison of ISO 1600 in the review, 6MP vs 12MP downsized.
    Jeff Keller
    Founder/Editor, Digital Camera Resource Page

  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Keller View Post
    I do have a comparison of ISO 1600 in the review, 6MP vs 12MP downsized.
    Yes, that's what they all have. The important thing which is missing is the ISO3200 picture taken with 6MP and DR100% (in mode P or M). According to several people who tried it, and contrary to what you wrote in the review, the camera will take such a picture with SN and not HR mode! So it will really make a difference when compared to a downsized 12MP picture.

    Best Regards,
    malamut

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