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  1. #1
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    I want better IQ than 18-200VR

    I'm thinking about changing my lenses, I'd appreciate any advice.

    The big question would I get better IQ with the 2 kit zooms
    18-55 AFS DX VR 3.5-5.6 $170 USD
    +
    70-300 AF 4-5.6 $120 USD

    than I get with my 18-200 AFS DX VR 3.5-5.6
    I find beyond 100mm I'm disappointed with this lens.

    I figure I could sell my 18-200 and buy the 2 zooms so I can still cover a range and pick up a 28 F2.8 or 35 F2 without too much cash changing hands.
    D800, D300, D90, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200VR f2.8, 300 F4, 105 micro, 16-85VR, 50mm 1.8, Tammy 90 macro, 70-300VR, SB900, 2xSB600, MB-D10, 055XPROB 322RC2. New computers to run photoshop faster. C&C always appreciated. PhotoGallery
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  2. #2
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    i was waiting for this thread mate, i figured after you saw the 90s IQ you would grow to hate the 18-200, might be worth having a look at the new kit lens that came with the d90 see how IQ is with that so you till have a good range for walk around? i have the 18-55, a i barely use it, you can buy mine if you like

    i really want to start buying quality glass even if it means waiting a bit longer, but i really want to move away from kit lenses...
    Nikon D7000 - Nikkor AF-S 70-200vrII f2.8 | Nikkor AF-S 105vr f2.8 Micro | Nikkor AF-S 16-85 | Nikkor AF-D 35mm f2 |Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 Di Macro | SB-700 | SB-600


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    oh, and if you want to borrow the 18-55 to see if you like it just let me know
    Nikon D7000 - Nikkor AF-S 70-200vrII f2.8 | Nikkor AF-S 105vr f2.8 Micro | Nikkor AF-S 16-85 | Nikkor AF-D 35mm f2 |Tamron SP 90mm f/2.8 Di Macro | SB-700 | SB-600


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  4. #4
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    I'd really recommend an f/2.8 zoom like the Sigma 18-50 (faster focus) or Tamron 17-50 (sharper), but that's because I've already been down your road. You're going to end up here eventually, you may as well save yourself a step and do it now.

    I only kept the 18-200 for a week, I couldn't stand the focus field curvature. Drove me nuts.
    Nikon D300 | Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 | Nikkor AF-S 70-300mm VR | Nikkor AF 35mm f/2 D | SB-600 | Lowepro Voyager C | Lowepro Slingshot 300 AW

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    Nikkor AF 35mm f/2 D - Like New (FX compatible)

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    Nikkor AF-S 17-55 f/2.8
    Nikkor AF-S 70-200 f/4 VRII
    Tokina AF 11-16 f/2.8
    SB-900 (2)
    Umbrellas
    New Tripod

  5. #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    The big question would I get better IQ with the 2 kit zooms
    18-55 AFS DX VR 3.5-5.6 $170 USD
    +
    70-300 AF 4-5.6 $120 USD

    than I get with my 18-200 AFS DX VR 3.5-5.6
    I find beyond 100mm I'm disappointed with this lens.
    You can get better IQ from the 18-200 if you set the aperture to f/8. Otherwise, you will find it goes soft. I had a hard time taking pictures with the lens at 200mm, and rarely went that far.

    I think that the 70-300 is not the same one as the newer version. I paid $400+ for mine, I think closer to almost $500. I had a chance to buy one on Craigslist for that price, but it is AF, not AF-S. Does that make a difference to you?

    I have the Sigma lens. I like it a lot. I have heard it is not as good as the Nikon one (17-85?/50?), but I think it was a third of the price. I have been extremely pleased with the lens, and basically call it my kit lens.

    I like the 70-300, but for some reason, 70 is sooo much zoom. I was trying to take a picture of a tree. I had the 18-105 lens on, and I could do it. I put the 70-300, and I had to keep stepping back to get the full tree into the picture. The kit lens from the D90 seems pretty good. I find it has a lot of reach to it in most situations. Something else for you to look at.
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    Nikon D90, because I have a nice Mom.
    Nikon 18-105 VR kit lens | Nikon 50mm f/1.8 |
    Nikon 35mm f/1.8G |
    Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 HSM |Nikon 70-300mm f/4-5.6G VR
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
    70-300 AF 4-5.6 $120 USD
    That is the G lens that is simply a US$120 paperweight. Forget it. Do not contemplate buying it. Do not buy it. If you really want to know what I think of it PM me.

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    I would skip the Nikon 70-300 f4-5.6 if it's the G version of it. The slightly more expensive ED version is better. But if you had the money the 70-300 VR is the best one both AF and optical quality. It is an AFS lens so is quiet and fast, unlike the 70-300 that you mention, as it uses the in body motor. I had the tamron 70-300 and apparently it's the same as the 70-300 f4-5.6G with different exteriors. You'll probably miss the VR especially on the telephoto end if you get rid of the 18-200. You'd be better of with the 55-200VR than the nikon 70-300f4-5.6 for $170 USD.

    If I were in your position and wanted to change lenses I'd get the following.
    18-55 AFS DX VR 3.5-5.6 $170 USD
    55-200 AFS DX VR 4-5.6
    35 f2.

    If you wanted to upgrade a bit more then maybe this list
    Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 EX DC MACRO HSM
    Nikon 70-300 VR
    35 f2.


    Here's a link to the sigma on ebay.
    http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....m=170272177587
    Nikon D700 | SB600 | SB-80DX | 2xSB-26 | 18-35 f/3.5-4.5 | 24-85 f/3.5-4.5G | 50 f/1.4 G | 105 f/2.8 VR | 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 VR

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  8. #8
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    Thank you for the help.

    So in summary:

    The Nikkor 70-300 VR has excellent IQ
    The 18-55 VR is ok IQ (but it is what it is - a cheap kit lens)
    The Sigma or Tamron F2.8 is much better IQ (but dearer)

    I'm leaning toward the cheaper short zoom since I figure I'd be mostly toting around the 35mm, 50mm or 90mm primes and that zoom is really just to fill gaps & for my landscapes.

    Has anyone got any tricks to maximize my 18-200 sell price on ebay, if so I'd appreciate an open reply or PM if you're wiling to share. I assume list late Sun arvo so it closes on a Sunday arvo?
    D800, D300, D90, 24-70 f2.8, 70-200VR f2.8, 300 F4, 105 micro, 16-85VR, 50mm 1.8, Tammy 90 macro, 70-300VR, SB900, 2xSB600, MB-D10, 055XPROB 322RC2. New computers to run photoshop faster. C&C always appreciated. PhotoGallery
    Pressing the shutter is the start of the process - Joe McNally ... Buying the body is the start of the process - Dread Pirate

  9. #9
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    The 18-55 VR has pretty good image quality, better than the 18-70 that I've got. I'd say start the bid at 99 cents as that usually gets more attention from people. I'm not sure what the ideal time to end the auction is but I'd choose sunday evening/night since most people have to go to work the next day and won't be out late.
    Nikon D700 | SB600 | SB-80DX | 2xSB-26 | 18-35 f/3.5-4.5 | 24-85 f/3.5-4.5G | 50 f/1.4 G | 105 f/2.8 VR | 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 VR

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  10. #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by achuang View Post
    I'd say start the bid at 99 cents as that usually gets more attention from people.
    Make sure that if you do that you have somebody (a friend) who will outbid any really low offers at the close of the auction.
    A friend on my sold some clothing (motorcycle) on a start low basis and got only one bid for the start price and dropped an absolute bundle because he was not aware of how to use the system.

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