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  1. #161
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    PS. I'd keep the 510 for the IS and sell the other two

    I believe all the accessories are interchangeable, lens, flash, battery, cards...

    Especially if you do a lot of hand held shots the IS is invaluable.

    Cheers, Don

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    Keep The E-510!

    Hi Don-

    As you might have already guessed, I am determined to get the very best photos. And I am also quite willing to experiment with almost anything, and the I am a HUGE Olympus fan.

    So here is another photo from the E-410 with the ZD 14-54mm lens this time. It is the same bounced hand held, bounced flash.

    Sarah Joyce
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    Okay, I'm with you....

    Now be honest, how would you rate the accuracy of the "color" of that shot ?

    On my monitor his skin tone appears on the reddish side, but not having met the gentleman in person this is an assumption...

    No comment on the iso discrepancy?

    Cheers, Don

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    Thanks, Don-

    The color is just about right!

    I am going to put the same effort into getting good photos out of the E-510, just like the E-410.

    Sarah Joyce

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    Don, I owe you a great deal!

    Thanks very much for your personal support. It means a great deal. As soon as I receive the E-510 we will move over to getting the most out of the E-510. In the meantime, I will also keep the photos going with the E-410, as I believe that it has real potential.

    Sarah Joyce

  6. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Kondra View Post
    PS. I'd keep the 510 for the IS and sell the other two
    Sarah, as much as I was pulling for the little E-410 that could, I'd actually keep the E-520 and eBay both the E-410 and E-510. I feel the E-520 is just about perfect and is like having an E-3 for less than half the price from an IQ perspective. It has essentially the same sensor as the E-3 and almost the same image processing algorithms and menu system -- a generation of refinement over the E-510.

    But like Don said, if you have already decided that you are returning the E-520, I would rather keep the E-510 over the 410 for the IS.

    Especially if you do a lot of hand held shots the IS is invaluable.
    Agree with you 100% Don. I might suggest reading an article by Erwin Puts (of Leica Compendium fame) where he tests the resolution of the Nikon D3, the Leica M8, and the Olympus E-3 systems and how camera shake from hand holding reduces the effective resolution. He also tests the effect of VR on the D3 and IS on the E-3 against hand holding to see how much of a difference they make on the effective resolution.

    His conclusions?

    • Hand holding results in a serious drop in effective resolution unless shutter speeds are very high.
    • He scoffs at the old 1/focal length rule, and found you needed something like 1/200 sec for a 50 mm lens on the E-3 and 1/180 sec for a 105 mm lens on the D3.
    • Basically, that's 1 / (2 x 35 mm focal length) -- or 1 / (4 x nominal focal length on 4/3 systems like Olympus!)
    • He found that VR and IS were extremely effective in maintaining effective resolution while hand holding (although the in-body IS of the Olympus was deemed to be a bit less effective than Nikon's in-lens VR).


    Bottom line: Image Stabilization is very important, and I wouldn't buy a camera or lens without it if I had the option.

    http://www.imx.nl/photo/technique/technique/page40.html
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    Nikon: D300, D700, Nikkor: 24-70, 70-200, 70-300/VR, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4G, 60/2.8G, 180/2.8,
    Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8, 50/2.8, Tamron: 17-50/2.8, 28-75/2.8, Tokina: 12-24, Zeiss: 25/2.8
    Olympus: E-520, E-3, 7-14, 9-18, 11-22, 12-60, 14-35/2, 14-54, 35-100/2, 50-200, 25/2.8, 35/3.5, 50/2
    Panasonic: G1, Leica: 14-50, 14-150, 25/1.4
    Sony: A700, A900, 24-85, 35-70, 70-210/4, 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 50/2.8, T 90 macro, Zeiss: 24-70/2.8, 135/1.8
    P&S: Canon S90, Panasonic: LX3


  7. #167
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    I fed the E-410 a nice big chocolate truffle
    Ha ha. My E-410 was feeling abused, so I took it to Lake Tahoe this afternoon and doused it in water, which promptly froze all over. It was still feeling a little abused, so I did a few lens swaps in a snow storm, then let it play in traffic.

    I'd go with the E-520 as well, unless a) I shot RAW, in which case the E-510 would be almost identical, or b) I thought it was too big to justify IS, in which case I'd stick with the E-410. Both apply to me, so I'm waiting for an E-430 with IS (and watersealing).
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    Don, I believe your version is too pale. Speaklightly's husband is her most commonly posted subject around here, and most cameras seem to render him towards the red side of your version.

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    Good Morning All-

    OK, today the drill will be to use a tripod, reduce the ISO settings, and to shoot with both the E-520 and the E-410. I will post samples as the day progresses. BTW, my tripod is a Quick-Set brand tripod that I paid $(US) 37.00 for in 1951, and I am still using it as it is so sturdy and reliable.

    I just washed my hair, so I have to go do something with it, like drying and rolling, so I will be back later. That huge Pacific storm is still raging outside. We were even treated to a lot of thunder and lightening overnight.

    Bye for now!

    Sarah Joyce

  10. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by raven15 View Post
    Don, I believe your version is too pale. Speaklightly's husband is her most commonly posted subject around here, and most cameras seem to render him towards the red side of your version.
    ... but could it be that they are consistently a bit too red and overly saturated? If that is an accurate rendering, I have to wonder if he loves suntanning

    Seriously, though... could it be a monitor calibration issue? It's very common these days with LCDs and laptops having wildly differing colour response characteristics.

    (I also find that colour spaces and profiles tend to create compatibility and consistency problems as well (Adobe RGB, sRGB), but that is a whole other discussion on its own...)

    Nikon: D300, D700, Nikkor: 24-70, 70-200, 70-300/VR, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4G, 60/2.8G, 180/2.8,
    Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8, 50/2.8, Tamron: 17-50/2.8, 28-75/2.8, Tokina: 12-24, Zeiss: 25/2.8
    Olympus: E-520, E-3, 7-14, 9-18, 11-22, 12-60, 14-35/2, 14-54, 35-100/2, 50-200, 25/2.8, 35/3.5, 50/2
    Panasonic: G1, Leica: 14-50, 14-150, 25/1.4
    Sony: A700, A900, 24-85, 35-70, 70-210/4, 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 50/2.8, T 90 macro, Zeiss: 24-70/2.8, 135/1.8
    P&S: Canon S90, Panasonic: LX3


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