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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaklightly View Post
    Here is another example or reason why the E-410 sits on the shelf. This photo was taken quickly with the E-410 equipped with the ZD 40-150mm lens and the FL-50 flash.

    The weight of the bigger lens and the Flash makes the E-410 hard to hand hold for a quick shot. And this is a typical "product shot" type of photo. Notice that camera movement blurred the focus.

    Sarah Joyce
    Hmm... to my eyes, a good part of the blur you see is actually due to focusing behind the product (see how the carpet is sharp both behind and to the left and bottom-right of the Lindor box?). As well, the DoF looks a bit narrower with the E-410 shot, allowing for a bit less margin for error with the focus.

    Does anyone else see that, or is it just me?
    Last edited by e_dawg; 12-13-2008 at 02:05 PM.

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  2. #152
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    I must admit the change in focus position was what struck me too on the truffle shot. Maybe your E410 is focussing behind where it should Sarah?
    Yes the white sky thing is annoying but as I said I'm sure much of it is down to the photographer, it's just a shame the camera isn't more forgiving. You need to get confident with a camera & I'm not there yet. Can you remember how you metered that crane shot Sarah?
    Last edited by Phill D; 12-13-2008 at 02:40 PM.
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  3. #153
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaklightly View Post
    Good Morning, Don-

    What am I missing here?? I would think that you would want to use -EV setting such as EV-0.7 or EV-1.0. to get rid of those white skies. Am I going the wrong way??

    Sarah Joyce
    Quite right, I was watching it snow as I typed, the camera underexposes white to try to make it look 18% gray. For a bright sky you would go the other way, ie., minus exposure compensation.....

    I shoot in raw so I've always adjusted the exposure after the shot and not really paid much attention to the amount, I just took a shot and needed to go +1 to change the color of the snow from gray to white

    I would have done a sky shot to see what the number is but it's another gray day here, sigh....

    As to your comparison shots, check your exif data, they are not even close so it is not a fair comparison.

    ie., 410/520, iso 100/1600, pattern + AF/ESP, 51mm/43mm.

    You need to take your 410 out for a nice supper and apologize, he, he..

    Cheers, Don
    Don Kondra - Furniture Designer/Maker
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  4. #154
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    Thanks, Don for the very astute observations. I will boost the E-410 up to 1600 ISO and re-shoot it to get a "fair" comparison. I guess, down deep, the problem is me, and my "too quick to make a decision" attitude that I adopted on the E-410. I am beginning to realize that it is more capable than I ignorantly thought.

    By the way, as a form of tribute and apology I fed the E-410 a nice big chocolate truffle. It is storming here along the Oregon coast as well. Today we have had mixed rain and snow even on the coastline.

    Sarah Joyce
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  5. #155
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    By the way here is the weather report: We have had mixed rain and snow all day, even right here on the Oregon coastline. Here is what our backyard looks like right now. I shot this with the E-410 through a window so I could stay dry and warm.

    I am sorry, E-410! please note that my attitude about you is changing.

    Sarah Joyce
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  6. #156
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaklightly View Post
    I am sorry, E-410! please note that my attitude about you is changing.
    So does that mean you're going to re-eBay the 510 and return the 520, giving the prodigal 410 a chance to carry the mail?

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  7. #157
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    e dawg-

    I have yet to receive the E-510, but it will go immediately to E-Bay for re-sale. I am going to return the E-520, and Yes Sir! The E-410 since I already own it and have all the necessary, lenses and flashes will carry the mail, even to Russia! See attached

    It good to hear from you, I hope that you are enjoying a great weekend.

    Sarah Joyce
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by speaklightly View Post
    Thanks, Don for the very astute observations. I will boost the E-410 up to 1600 ISO and re-shoot it to get a "fair" comparison. I guess, down deep, the problem is me, and my "too quick to make a decision" attitude that I adopted on the E-410. I am beginning to realize that it is more capable than I ignorantly thought.
    Hi Sarah,

    Why are you pushing the iso so hard? You do gain some speed but at the expense of IQ/noise.

    Without using a tripod, the only thing you are testing is your handholding abilities

    By the way, as a form of tribute and apology I fed the E-410 a nice big chocolate truffle.
    Mmmm, that would do it for me, he, he...

    It is storming here along the Oregon coast as well. Today we have had mixed rain and snow even on the coastline.

    Sarah Joyce
    Now that is a nice shot of a not so nice day.

    Shot out the window????

    Must be tough living with That View, sigh...

    Cheers, Don
    Don Kondra - Furniture Designer/Maker
    Product Photography

    Olympus E-3 ~ E-30
    ZD 50 ~ 7-14 ~ 14-35 ~ 14-54 ~ 12-60 ~ 35-100 ~ 50-200 ~ EC 20
    Velbon tripod/ball head
    Slik tripod/Jobu Jr 2 Gimbal

  9. #159
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    More E-410 Stuff

    Thanks for your observations, Don-

    I started with the highest ISO to overcome the lack of in body IS and will be gradually backing it down to lower levels. This one, still at ISO 1600 was taken with the ZD 14-42mm so called kit lens on the E-410 while I experimented with some bounce flash.

    Yes, that view is sort of addictive, isn't it.

    Sarah Joyce
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  10. #160
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    LOL....

    I couldn't figure out how you were getting away with iso 1600, I tried three different programs to read the exif data and they all say they were shot at iso 100

    When using a flash you shouldn't have to up the iso much, IMHO.

    Hope you don't mind I did a little photoshopping to your image?

    You tell me if this looks more natural...

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    Used the color and saturation sliders in LightBox Plus, some brightness, contrast and sharpeness in FastStone Image Viewer, all free downloads.

    Cheers, Don
    Don Kondra - Furniture Designer/Maker
    Product Photography

    Olympus E-3 ~ E-30
    ZD 50 ~ 7-14 ~ 14-35 ~ 14-54 ~ 12-60 ~ 35-100 ~ 50-200 ~ EC 20
    Velbon tripod/ball head
    Slik tripod/Jobu Jr 2 Gimbal

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