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  1. #101
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    Dr4gon how about this, can you imagine the Tamron 200-500 with VC in the lense and then flick on SSS........... hmmm, or would they conflict each other and not work at same time? Don?
    More importantly why the hell am I still up LOL
    Sony A700_____________Minolta AF 50mm. F/1.7
    Minolta AF 70-210mm F/3.5-4.5 Tamron AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR DiII LD Asp. [IF]
    Tamron SP AF 70-200mm. F/2.8 DI LD [IF] Macro
    Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2
    Tokina AF 28-70mm F/3.5-4.5
    Tokina AF AT-X 80-400mm F/4.5-5.6
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  2. #102
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    Hey ... it's that radical left bunch, from up the forum page list. LOL Every once in a whiole, they get nervous. Usually around the same time that new bodies are tossed out of the bus.

    Sean ... what ISO are you finding to work best for your images? Mine is ISO-800 ... for most indoor stuff using the standard zooms ... and 100 when doing low speed, outdoors.

    Yes, SSS and VC conflict with one another ... and make for a very poor image. The experiment was conducted about a year ago, with an IS-equipped lens on (I believe) an Olympus IS body. Anyway, it was a failure, to be sure. One of the guys on the forum did it and presented the images. In effect: It is one or the other, operating, not both. The preferred method is to have the IS-in-the-body DETECT an IS-equipped lens and automatically disable itself. That makes the most sense to me. Obviously, with SSS currently capable of being disabled on the back of the camera ...

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    you still could "manually" handle that decision.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-04-2008 at 10:29 PM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
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    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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  3. #103
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    I have lots of noise at 800, less of course with the KM 50mm 1.7 but still noticeable, alot of that may be because I don't understand the fine tunning of the camera yet, and still using the onboard flash. outside I go back and forth between 200 and 400 again I am mostly shooting action 100 don't seem to cut it unless it is nice and bright. I hate to admit it but shooting soccer and football as it gets darker during the game I have left ISO on auto a lot. I also use SSS on all sports shooting unless in bright sunshine, I admit I need a better grip and a steadier hand
    Sony A700_____________Minolta AF 50mm. F/1.7
    Minolta AF 70-210mm F/3.5-4.5 Tamron AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR DiII LD Asp. [IF]
    Tamron SP AF 70-200mm. F/2.8 DI LD [IF] Macro
    Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2
    Tokina AF 28-70mm F/3.5-4.5
    Tokina AF AT-X 80-400mm F/4.5-5.6
    http://flickr.com/

  4. #104
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    Lightbulb Get a grip!

    Have you considered the vertical grip? It does change the stability of holding that bad boy.

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    Last edited by DonSchap; 09-04-2008 at 10:33 PM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

  5. #105
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    On my list of things I need to get, I also think it will help me level up my shots, still getting a fair amout of "crooked" images, mostly not bad but bad enough. However I think for the money a flash unit will come before the grip. but I do plan on having a VG before soccer and footbal next year. and my lens investment plan calls for me to get the Tamron 200 - 500 in the spring VG would really help keep that bad boy under control, and yes yes I know I better be putting that on a solid monopod / tripod LOL Damn! I used to have money!!
    Sony A700_____________Minolta AF 50mm. F/1.7
    Minolta AF 70-210mm F/3.5-4.5 Tamron AF 17-50mm F/2.8 XR DiII LD Asp. [IF]
    Tamron SP AF 70-200mm. F/2.8 DI LD [IF] Macro
    Tamron AF 70-300mm F/4-5.6 Di LD Macro 1:2
    Tokina AF 28-70mm F/3.5-4.5
    Tokina AF AT-X 80-400mm F/4.5-5.6
    http://flickr.com/

  6. #106
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    I really try to stay at 100 at all times lol... Sometimes I do feel the need to go up to 200 or 400 depending on the light. I just can't bear to have the noise. I think the Sony's (lower end anyway) weak point is the noise at higher ISOs. Quality really deteriorates much rapidly after 400. But then again, it depends also on the size of the final image. I have a 24" LCD so at 1920x1200, I like to be able to at least fill up the screen but always strive for the best pushing it all the way to 1:1 sizing. I would really like a grip, but not sure if it's worthwhile on a low end camera... :\. Maybe the next camera. It won't fit in my current camera+one and a half lens bag (fits my camera, memory cards, 17-50/2.8 with hood, sony p&s, and barely the minolta 50/1.7 in the side pocket!) ha!

    And regarding IS, if you could have the body detect an IS lens that's like 200mm+ or whatever that optimal point is and switch off SSS, that would be just like a camera made in heaven, well build wise.... (obviously still not friendly to the wallet )
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

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    Quote Originally Posted by seanhoxx View Post
    Damn! I used to have money!!
    I know right? .... ugh It's hard to keep up with everyone!
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

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    No matter what manufacturer you go with, you are in for the $5000 ride ... to get the basic bag o' glass. We all go through it ... and I do not remember anyone cheering about it along the way.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap View Post
    No matter what manufacturer you go with, you are in for the $5000 ride ... to get the basic bag o' glass. We all go through it ... and I do not remember anyone cheering about it along the way.
    and then you gotta add along to the glass (and camera) a good solid tripod, flash unit, grip, batteries (which in the case of Sony are ridiculously expensive, no OEMs ), memory cards, software... the list goes on. And then you gotta print the good ones! But the last step is totally justifiable since all your hard work turns into a hard copy. WYSIWYG in this case from computer > paper, rather than reality>image which isn't the case.
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    Canon 7D - 5D | 550EX - 430EX II - (2) PW FlexTT5 | 24-105 f4L | 70-200 f2.8L IS | 100 f2.8L IS | 50 f1.8 II

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    Oh, you said nothing about printing your shots ... LOL
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

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