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  1. #11
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    Just saw a review of a similar lens, the Sony 16-105mm.

    It got a recommended, but I think that was partly because it's entry level stablemate, the Sony 18-70mm was so poor that DPReview did not even give it an average. Sony wants $550 for this lens vs. the $679 for the Nikkor 16-85, and it doesn't have stabilization (Recall that Sony does build this into the camera).

    Right now, DPReview is working through the various brands entry lenses, so it may be a while before they get to the 16-85VR. I hope it does better optically than the Sonys did.
    Eric Lund
    Nikon D200
    Nikkors: 17-55mm f2.8, 18-200mm f3.5-f4.5 VR, 70-300mm f4.5-5.6 VR, 35mm f2, 50mm f1.8, 55mm f2.8 AI-S micro, 105mm f2.8 VR micro
    Other Lenses: Tokina 12-24 f4, Tamron 75-300mm f4-5.6 LD macro
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  2. #12
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    The Sony 16-105 did well in SLRgear.com's test. It matches the Zeiss 16-80 in most tests. Not sure how good dpreview's lens testing is. They're very new at the lens testing game.

    Nikon: D300, D700, Nikkor: 24-70, 70-200, 70-300/VR, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4G, 60/2.8G, 180/2.8,
    Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8, 50/2.8, Tamron: 17-50/2.8, 28-75/2.8, Tokina: 12-24, Zeiss: 25/2.8
    Olympus: E-520, E-3, 7-14, 9-18, 11-22, 12-60, 14-35/2, 14-54, 35-100/2, 50-200, 25/2.8, 35/3.5, 50/2
    Panasonic: G1, Leica: 14-50, 14-150, 25/1.4
    Sony: A700, A900, 24-85, 35-70, 70-210/4, 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 50/2.8, T 90 macro, Zeiss: 24-70/2.8, 135/1.8
    P&S: Canon S90, Panasonic: LX3


  3. #13
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    Photozone Tests the 16-85/VR

    Photozone just published their lens test on the 16-85/VR.

    Executive Summary

    Optical performance looks excellent -- quite comparable to the 17-55/2.8. Very sharp, no serious flaws.

    Sharpness: Very sharp in the center at all focal lengths and apertures (MTFs approach the D200 sensor's limit from f/3.5-5.6 at 16-35 mm). Corners are very good except at 16 mm wide-open. (To put this in context, the 16-85/VR is sharper than the 17-55/2.8 at every equivalent aperture and focal length)

    Distortion: Similar to most zooms in its class. Comparable to the 17-55/2.8, but slightly more distortion at the wide end (2.5% vs 2.2%)... understandable as it's a bit harder to keep things straight in a compact design at 16 mm with a 5.3x zoom range.

    Vignetting: About a stop darker in the corners at 16 mm wide-open but otherwise good performance typical of its class.

    CA: Exceeds 1 pixel at both ends of the zoom (16 and 85 mm), but relatively mild everywhere else.

    Bokeh: Probably the worst aspect of this lens. At medium focal lengths and slower apertures, it's not pretty. But then again, neither are most slow consumer zooms -- especially those with 3 aspherical elements!

    http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/46-n...or_1685_3556vr

    Nikon: D300, D700, Nikkor: 24-70, 70-200, 70-300/VR, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4G, 60/2.8G, 180/2.8,
    Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8, 50/2.8, Tamron: 17-50/2.8, 28-75/2.8, Tokina: 12-24, Zeiss: 25/2.8
    Olympus: E-520, E-3, 7-14, 9-18, 11-22, 12-60, 14-35/2, 14-54, 35-100/2, 50-200, 25/2.8, 35/3.5, 50/2
    Panasonic: G1, Leica: 14-50, 14-150, 25/1.4
    Sony: A700, A900, 24-85, 35-70, 70-210/4, 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 50/2.8, T 90 macro, Zeiss: 24-70/2.8, 135/1.8
    P&S: Canon S90, Panasonic: LX3


  4. #14
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    BTW, just noticed that the 16-85/VR has gone down quite a bit in price now. I've seen it for $589 online all over the US, down from the MSRP of $789 and a street price of $699 shortly after it was launched. Usually, lenses take longer to go down 25% off MSRP. Eventually, it could make its way to $499 or so, but it's not likely to happen anytime soon the way the Japanese Yen is tracking.

    I know some of you think it was a poor value at launch price for a slow-ish lens, but consider that it has VRII, which gives you a claimed improvement in 4 stops. I find VRII to give 2-3 stops, usually, but it's still very helpful at least when you don't need to worry about stopping subject motion.

    Let's compare the low-light capability for static subjects of the 16-85/3.5-5.6 vs a typical 17-50/2.8. At an wide focal length of say 24 mm, the 16-85 is at ~ f/4. You lose a stop compared to the 17-50. But, you gain about 2 stops with VR, so you're "up 1 stop", so to speak. At the longer end, say 50 mm, you're at ~ f/5 for the 16-85, so you're down about 1 2/3 of a stop vs f/2.8. Consider that VR is usually more effective at longer focal lengths, so you'll gain around 2.5 stops with VR. So you're still up about 7/8 of a stop with the 16-85 at the long end vs a faster f/2.8 zoom.

    Yes, it's not going to help when you're shooting subjects that are moving around (at a play, sporting event, kids & pets running around), but for dimly lit cathedrals, museums, parties / dinner / social events indoors, etc. an effective VR system* actually gets you more stops than a fast zoom does.

    Yes, you're still going to get more stops with fast primes, but we're comparing zooms here. Let's not write off this "slow zoom" as unworthy. Its optics are great and with the latest round of price reductions, I think this is a great option as a travel or walkaround lens. In fact, I'm thinking of getting one specifically to use with the D40 as a lightweight travel solution.

    * - VRII is right up there with Canon's latest generation IS system as one of the best stabilization systems on the market

    Nikon: D300, D700, Nikkor: 24-70, 70-200, 70-300/VR, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4G, 60/2.8G, 180/2.8,
    Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8, 50/2.8, Tamron: 17-50/2.8, 28-75/2.8, Tokina: 12-24, Zeiss: 25/2.8
    Olympus: E-520, E-3, 7-14, 9-18, 11-22, 12-60, 14-35/2, 14-54, 35-100/2, 50-200, 25/2.8, 35/3.5, 50/2
    Panasonic: G1, Leica: 14-50, 14-150, 25/1.4
    Sony: A700, A900, 24-85, 35-70, 70-210/4, 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 50/2.8, T 90 macro, Zeiss: 24-70/2.8, 135/1.8
    P&S: Canon S90, Panasonic: LX3


  5. #15
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    SLRGear.com 16-85VR review

    SLRGear.com gave the lens a very good review too.

    http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showp...uct/1177/cat/6

    but I have to agree with Rooz & K1W1 that, in Australia at least, it is still overpriced.

    D-D Photographics, a parallel importer/discount online/store, sell the lens for AUD765.00 & that's probably the cheapest price available in Oz.
    Last edited by Benjamin2007; 06-09-2008 at 10:13 AM.

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  6. #16
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    this lens is 430 in the uk. $860USD!
    Nikon D700
    Sigma 70-200 F2.8
    Sigma 85mm F1.4
    Sigma 15-30 F3.5 - 4.5



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  7. #17
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    $765AUD here. even ebay is around the same price delivered. if its as good as reviews say it is then $499 would be a decent price. not cheap mind you, but at least fair.
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  8. #18
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    I don't know about you guys, but I am a little jealous of how the US prices and deals are usually significantly better than the rest of the world... even compared to Canada, which is literally right next door. In fact, a number of Canadian cities are closer to some American cities than other American cities in neighbouring states are. And yet, travel 10 minutes to the north, and that same lens is $200 more just because it's in Canada. Wouldn't be a big deal, but Nikon Canada doesn't honour warranties on American lenses. Sigh...

    Nikon: D300, D700, Nikkor: 24-70, 70-200, 70-300/VR, 24/2.8, 35/2, 50/1.4G, 60/2.8G, 180/2.8,
    Sigma: 10-20, 50-150/2.8, 50/2.8, Tamron: 17-50/2.8, 28-75/2.8, Tokina: 12-24, Zeiss: 25/2.8
    Olympus: E-520, E-3, 7-14, 9-18, 11-22, 12-60, 14-35/2, 14-54, 35-100/2, 50-200, 25/2.8, 35/3.5, 50/2
    Panasonic: G1, Leica: 14-50, 14-150, 25/1.4
    Sony: A700, A900, 24-85, 35-70, 70-210/4, 20/2.8, 24/2.8, 50/2.8, T 90 macro, Zeiss: 24-70/2.8, 135/1.8
    P&S: Canon S90, Panasonic: LX3


  9. #19
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    Here in the Netherlands it is now only 487 euro. It is only 40 euro more than the 70-300VR. I think the price here is quite reasonable given the general level of prices here. It seems that when it comes to lenses, the euro is worth just as much as the dollar.
    Nikon D-50
    // Nikkor 70-300 f/4-5.6 VR // Nikkor 50 mm f/1.8
    // Sigma 17-70 f/2.8-4.5 ...// Nikon SB-600
    // Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6......// Nikon Series E 135 mm f/2.8
    // Kiron 105 f/2.8 Macro....// Manfrotto 190XPROB + 488RC4
    // Nikkor 35 f/1.8..........// Sigma 500 mm f/8

    My website: http://www.dennisdolkens.nl

  10. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by e_dawg View Post
    I don't know about you guys, but I am a little jealous of how the US prices and deals are usually significantly better than the rest of the world... even compared to Canada, which is literally right next door. In fact, a number of Canadian cities are closer to some American cities than other American cities in neighbouring states are. And yet, travel 10 minutes to the north, and that same lens is $200 more just because it's in Canada. Wouldn't be a big deal, but Nikon Canada doesn't honour warranties on American lenses. Sigh...
    thank your lucky stars cos the prices here for sme items are nothign short of completely outrageous. thats why aussie members are very switched onto ebay and grey sellers. its either that or get shafted by retailers.

    i found sony's strategy quite interesting in the USA with their fixed pricing. a layman would consider it commercial suicide for US retailers given the popularity of internet sales. i believe they have tried to implement it O/S and are getting prosecuted in france or something like that.
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