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  1. #1
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    Sunrise On the Bay

    Drove down by the bay to get some pictures of the sunrise. Don my pictures seem to be flat. What do you think? I raised my sharpness to +1.
    Thanks
    Frank



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    Question a small change

    I don't know ... what do you think of this crop of your shot ... losing the overhead wires ... and making a bit longer looking.

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    Works for me. The overhead cables are pretty distracting....so the crop is much better
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  4. #4
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    Looks good Don. Here are two more I had that I didn't not post.





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    Well ... if there is nothing up in the cloud formation ... I suggest losing about half of it. It's what they term "Negative space." It's not that negative space is bad, but it really needs to be "managed." Normally it cannot dominate an image by 50% ... you just lose impact that way. So, by simply cropping it out, as I did in the first image ... we reduce that effectively useless part of the image and concentrate the eyes on the beautiful golden horizon and the sunset. You see clearly see the image from side to side, and your eyes don't wander through the negative space to see if you may have missed something.

    Call it ... maintaining focus ... without distraction.

    This is composition, after the fact ... but, it still is effective. The beauty of the large sensor images is that you actually do have more image discretion, before pixelation can occur. The more pixels ... the more can crop and still have a nice 8x10 or 14x8 or whatever.

    What does this mean? It means that if you take a distant image ... you can still crop down to the subject and effectively render a decent composition. Where this really is import is when you have a 300mm shot ... but no lens to get it. All you have is a 17-50 with you. You can't get closer ... so you have to make due. You push to 50mm ... square up on your subject and get the image. Then, you had home and see if you can effectively chop off the unwanted image and still get a decent looking print of subject.

    Most of the time, it takes work ... with an 8MP sensor. But, if you are shoot with a 12MP or 14MP sensor ... suddenly things are a lot more forgiving when you do this "chop-down." The main thing to remember is pixels per inch. You can crush an image rather easily and get a good looking rendition, but when you need to enlarge, there are certain ratios you cannot play with or go past without suffering some poor quality to your print.

    Anyway ... I feel like I am just pushing air ... but, you should practice to find the limits of how much you can cut away before it looks noticeably poor, when you begin to resize it. It you have Photoshop or some other advanced postprocessing software, sometimes you can heal up a poor image and really get more out of it than there would normally be ... but, then again, this takes some honed skill.
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  6. #6
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    Don you are the man. When do you hold class?? LOL I appreciate all the time and effort you put into all your answers.
    I will say it again Thanks
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