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  1. #11
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    Red face I don't know ...

    Sometimes, you can get a little too close with a close up and .. I don't know, you sniff it out with a 15mm ... and for some odd reason ... it just doesn't look right.

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    Comments? Should we focus on what's just a little too ... wide, for a good portrait? I know it had ears
    Last edited by DonSchap; 11-16-2007 at 12:02 PM.
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    Don, that is a spectacular portrait.... Although, personally, I don't usually allow Otters in my house! jk.

    Great shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyporch View Post
    Don, that is a spectacular portrait.... Although, personally, I don't usually allow Otters in my house! jk.

    Great shot.
    I have the impression Don did not make that photo, dusty P.
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    Thanks for all the input, guys! Very helpful, indeed. For now, I'll stick with my nifty fifty!

    Don, I know there is such a thing as a hairless cat, but an EARLESS one?!?

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    Opinion is divided about the perfect portrait lens. Some say 135mm and others 85mm (on a 35mm system).

    I always reckoned on 85mm being perfect as did many of my friends. In fact somebody did come up with a mathematical explanation of why 85mm was best.

    In terms of digital, I reckon 50mm is best for most crop cameras and 85mm for non-crop.

    Oddly enough a ton of manufacturers thought that 85mm - 105mm was the perfect length, producing lenses of 85mm, 90mm, 100mm and 105mm, each of which was marketed as portrait - many of which also had fantastic macro capabilities.

    The important thing for a portrait lens is that it has a flat field. If the field is not flat then your portraits could look a bit odd with a big nose in focus and the eyes out of focus. The important thing is to focus on the eyes.

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    Red face Head shots! Ouch!

    No, it's not my 15mm shot ... I have little use for that type of glass, but I found it amusing ... so I thought I'd share with you "portrait poppers", since the discussion was kind of laggin'.

    I'm still trying to figure out how to make good use of Coldrain's TAMRON SP AF 90mm f/2.8 Di and get the people to look good. One of these days ... it'll hit me.

    Just remember, if your subject is missing ears ... you are either too wide, too close, or both.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 11-16-2007 at 02:25 PM.
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    I don't know if Canon does the same as Nikon, but I suspect they do. In that regard, Nikon tunes lenses for different tasks. The 85mm lenses are specifically designed reproduce excellent skin tones and produce great bokeh. This is the only real problem with using a 50 or 60mm lens as a portrait lens. They were not optimized optically for that task. In fact, typically, this length is probably optimized for only one thing, ultimate sharpness, since on a 35mm format, it is the most general of lenses, the "normal" lens.

    I can't comment on the Canon lineup, but I don't find the skin tones particularly exceptional on the Nikkor 50mm f1.8, and the bokeh is marginal. They lack that sharp yet soft look (seems like a contradiction, but it's not) that is characteristic of a good portrait lens. The 50mm f1.4 is better, but still not up to the same standard as even the cheaper 85mm f1.8 (vs the 85 f1.4).

    If I were a DX (it's a Nikon thing) portrait photographer, I'd be really excited about the upcoming Cosina Voightlander (sp?) 58mm f1.4 which is designed specifically to be a DX portrait lens (The APS-C version of the 85mm f1.4). I don't know if they will introduce a Canon mount for this lens, but Canon can use Nikon type lenses with an adapter. Something to think about. It is chipped to meter on Nikons (even the D40), though it is a manual focus lens.
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    Will Cosina market it outside Japan? The Canon EOS cameras can also meter with Nikon lenses, you can use any Nikon lens as long as it has an aperture ring. Otherwise one can not close the aperture...
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldrain View Post
    Will Cosina market it outside Japan? The Canon EOS cameras can also meter with Nikon lenses, you can use any Nikon lens as long as it has an aperture ring. Otherwise one can not close the aperture...
    I don't know about Europe, but there are U.S. reps for Cosina lenses. B&H carries some Voigtlander. Stephen Gandy (CameraQuest) would be another thing to search under. Stephen is reported to be very reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 24Peter View Post
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