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  1. #1
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    Angry S3 IS Battery problem

    For almost a year, I've been using Energizer's 2200 mAh high energy 15min rechargable batteries. I've never had ANY problem whatsoever using these batteries. They usually last really long in my camera -- we're talking 6hrs of on/off shooting and around 600 pictures before I need to even think of replacing them.

    Lately, however, every-single-fu*king-time I go into my camera bag to grab the S3 to take some pictures, all the batteries are dead. That is, the batteries in the camera as well as the batteries NOT in the camera.

    The camera uses 4 AA batteries.

    Any ideas on what the problem could be? Recommendations on batteries to try?
    I like rechargeables as they feel lest wasteful and in the end are a better buy -- assuming the work!

    Argh.

    I missed a GREAT photo opportunity today as a guy was taking off from the ice in a neat contraption just a few doors down..
    Last edited by TheNetwerk2020; 02-27-2007 at 08:24 PM.

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    It could be that your quick charger has "worn out" the batteries in advance. The same thing happened to me, when I used my quick charger. My quick charger was much slower than yours, though - I think it took around 2 to 3 hours to recharge 4 2500 mAh batteries.

    I bought a new charger that chargers the batteries in around 6 or 7 hours instead. I also bought a new set of batteries to replace the "worn out" ones. Or 2 sets, actually - 8 new rechargeables. My quick charger and the batteries were of the brand Uniross. The new charger and batteries are GP.

    There is another thread about this problem here too. It seems that different quick chargers handles the batteries in different ways. If it is a more advanced quick charger, it takes better care of the batteries when you recharge them. The charger first empties the batteries completely, before rechargeing them. Maybe that kind of advanced charger doesn't wear out the batteries in advance. I have no experience. What kind of quick charger are you using? Do you know how it works?

    For short - I don't think it's your batteries fault. I think it's the quick charger you have used, that has "worn out" or "burnt out" your batteries in advance.

    Ps. I have the same camera as you, the Canon Powershot S3IS.
    Last edited by Wesan; 02-27-2007 at 09:30 PM. Reason: Added Ps.
    Wesan

    "Analogue"/film cameras
    Agfamatic 2000
    Canon EOS 600 (SLR)
    Fujifilm Fotonex 310ix (APS)

    Digital cameras
    Samsung Digimax 101
    Canon Powershot S3IS

  3. #3
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    I see two possible problems.

    1. As explained by Wesan, the batteries may have failed prematurely due to the high current these 15 mins. chargers are delivering. FWIW, use 15-min. charging ONLY if you need to charge your batteries immediately (like in the middle of a photo shoot). Otherwise, stick with "smart" 2-5 hour (or longer) chargers that can do a better job at prolonging the life of your batteries.

    2. It's weird that all batteries began to fail at almost the same time, unless, the problem lies with the camera. When my batteries conk out, they're usually several months to about a year apart.
    Orly

    Canon PowerShot S3 IS
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    • Hoya HMC Super UV Filter
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    • Canon +4 Close-up Lens
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    Quote Originally Posted by oj88 View Post
    (---) 2. It's weird that all batteries began to fail at almost the same time, unless, the problem lies with the camera. When my batteries conk out, they're usually several months to about a year apart.
    Maybe not - if all the batteries were brand new and of the same brand and mAh, and if the same quick charger was used the whole time, and you circulate between the sets of batteries, I'd say it's likely they all fail at the same time. The quick charger has "worn them out" equally. If you see what I mean?

    I'm not a battery expert, though. But I'm getting pretty good at "battle of the batteries" gif-animations...!
    Last edited by Wesan; 02-27-2007 at 09:59 PM.
    Wesan

    "Analogue"/film cameras
    Agfamatic 2000
    Canon EOS 600 (SLR)
    Fujifilm Fotonex 310ix (APS)

    Digital cameras
    Samsung Digimax 101
    Canon Powershot S3IS

  5. #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wesan View Post
    Maybe not - if all the batteries were brand new and of the same brand and mAh, and if the same quick charger was used the whole time, and you circulate between the sets of batteries, I'd say it's likely they all fail at the same time. The quick charger has "worn them out" equally. If you see what I mean?
    Got a point there.

    I'm not a battery expert, though. But I'm getting pretty good at "battle of the batteries" gif-animations...!
    LOL. Yeah, I envy people who have too much time on their hands.
    Orly

    Canon PowerShot S3 IS
    • Lensmate 58mm Lens Adapter
    • Hoya HMC Super UV Filter
    • Hoya CPL Filter
    • Canon +4 Close-up Lens
    Sony Cybershot U20

  6. #6
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    I keep an alkaline batt in my cam bag just in-case something like this happens. But my daughter found out this idea and knows where to get good batts. hehehe... time to buy. But I bought those eneloops (The discharge rate is slow and now serves as my back-up batts)

  7. #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNetwerk2020 View Post
    Lately, however, every-single-fu*king-time I go into my camera bag to grab the S3 to take some pictures, all the batteries are dead. That is, the batteries in the camera as well as the batteries NOT in the camera.

    The camera uses 4 AA batteries.

    Any ideas on what the problem could be? Recommendations on batteries to try?
    Several potential problems:

    1. Memory effect. You may not be getting the charge you think you are, especially if you only partially discharge the batteries before charging them. NiMH batteries have a memory effect. About the only ones easily available that don't are Lithium-ion, but those are very expensive and generally used only in proprietary batteries.

    2. High charging current causes the batteries to heat up. One of the better things you could do with that "15-minute" charger would be to put it on the pavement and smash it with a hammer. Then, get a decent charger. Those things are good only for "emergencies," e.g., when you realize that you didn't charge the batteries overnight and you have to leave in an hour or less. Otherwise, don't use them.

    3. All rechargeables self-discharge, some faster than others. This is the most likely problem you're experiencing. The Sanyo Eneloop batteries are supposed to self-discharge much more slowly than most NiMH batteries. Another brand, the Uniross Hybrio batteries, make a similar claim.

    If you want to get the most out of your rechargeable batteries:

    1. Buy decent batteries to start with. Just because it's an American brand name like "Energizer" or "Ray-O-Vac" doesn't mean that it's good. I've read that Sanyo and Maha/Powerex are among the best brands. It could be worth spending a bit more.

    2. Store your batteries OUTSIDE the camera. That will avoid any "leaks" that occur within the camera circuitry.

    3. Store the batteries at room temperature, not in hot or cold locations. Keep them dry, of course. Don't carry them loose in your pocket (especially if you have any metal stuff in your pocket. I nearly burned myself with a AAA battery that way--stuff in my pocket shorted it out.) There are nice battery cases from InAnyCase that do a nice job and are convenient to carry. The "Batuca" (Battery Tube Case) is very nice. I also got a Digital Photo Battery Case that holds 4 AA batteries and a memory card. It should be great for carrying in my pocket.

    4. Get a good charger. I have a La Crosse BC-900 charger, which has a lot of nice features. (It better have--it's almost $50!) One thing it can do is to "refresh" batteries: that puts them through repeated discharge/charge cycles until the "full" charge doesn't change. That can recover some "bad" batteries that are really just suffering from the memory effect. (It's also a good idea to do that with new batteries.) It allows me to set the charging current, reads out the mAh when the battery is full, does a discharge-charge cycle that prevents the memory effect (that's the one you should use, if possible) It also comes with a set of really cool adapters that allow you to use a AA rechargeable battery in a device that is designed for C or D batteries. (Obviously, that will have limitations--the device uses C or D batteries because they store more energy, but it can really help in a pinch.) My major "complaint" is that it doesn't have an auto power plug. (I can use it with an inverter, of course.) It's also a little bulky (not much--it's 3x5.1x1.5, plus the transformer) and heavy for a camera bag. I have a Power2000 XP-375 charger that is about as minimal as one can get. It has fold-up prongs and an auto adapter. It weighs only about 3 oz without the batteries.
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  8. #8
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    From what I have read from the experts on the Internet, you hit the nail on the head.

    I have used a MaHa charger and their batteries for several years and they are still working. The only thing that slows them down is forgetting to refresh (discharge completely before charging after a few charges). Storing in a cold envirement slows the loss of charge.

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