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  1. #1
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    Lens for indoor sports?

    Hello I just purchased the new Sony DSLR A100k. It seems to be what I was looking for except for taking pictures of my daughter when she is doing gymnastics. Most gyms that I have been in have low light and you can not use a flash. I have the ISO setting at 1600 and that helped some but I can not freeze motion at all. You know legs and arms etc are real blurry. Any way does any one have any recommendations on a good lens for this camera, low light indoor sports.

    Any suggestions or recommendations would really be appreciated.
    Thanks
    Mark

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    f/2.8 ... when lights are low and speed's the need

    What you are asking for usually exceeds the normal budget.

    Two telephoto lenses come to mind:

    On the low end, the SIGMA 70-200mm APO 70-200mm F2.8 EX DG MACRO HSM.

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    On the high end: the SONY 70-200mm f/2.8 G-Series Telephoto Zoom Lens SAL-70200G

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    Either of these two will provide for low light like no other lens. Low-light normally dictates a higher cost, so be prepared with the 'plastic'. The best part, you will get more and better shots, like you expect to. Accurate focusing is also improved with the larger glass, but at f/2.8 your depth of field will be really tight. You will need to be "spot on".

    Another avenue is to go with a 75-300mm f/4-5.6 lens, but get a much better flash with range to make it work properly. Obviously, there will be times where a flash is either not practical or simply ... "forbidden" ... and that's when these two f/2.8 suggestions come into play. As a class of lens, they can use ambient light far better than an f/4-5.6 lens can. Plus the fact that you certainly would not want to startle your subject with a f/16 flash in her face, during a dismount or some such manuever.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 01-26-2007 at 07:02 AM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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  3. #3
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    Hey thanks a lot Don for the information.
    Wow I kind of excepted a lens like that would be expensive but......
    I think I will check on the sigma 70-200mm and see if I can get that one.
    Another question for you if you don't mind. I have the lens that came with the camera 18-70 and I have a old lens off of one of my old Minolta's the Maxxum AF zoom Xi 80-200mm which seems to work real well out doors. Now if I purchase the Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 will that lens do ok out doors also or is that only for low light indoor situations?

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    Smile Questions for deeper understanding ...

    That is a fair enough question and let me preface it by saying:

    The maximum aperture of a lens (in this case, f/2.8) is what will determine if you can use the lens effectively indoors, without the need for additional lighting or flash. Usually, if the lens is f/4 or "slower" (ie, f/4.5, f/5.6, f/6.3, ...), the indoor rule is: Use a flash!

    All lenses are designed to basically be used outdoors. The sun is brilliant source of light and can make darn near anything look good, even through mud.

    An f/2.8 lens can usually be stopped-down in increments to a minimum aperture of f/22 or even f/32, to be able to get a great "depth of field" or to control the shutter speed you need to get a good shot. You cannot get a wider aperture than the lens can provide.

    Stopping-down a lens restricts the light going into it. Normally, your camera's automatic settings will usually accomplish this for you. It will adjust the ISO, the shutter speed, white-balance and the aperture all with a program running inside the camera. Through the settings of each of these, the computer in the camera manipulates them and composes what it believes is the best-looking shot it can make, based on the information it receives from its metering system.

    Using f/2.8 is a little trickier, sometimes. The camera's automatic program (or algorithm) really does not like to use the f/2.8 aperture setting as a rule. It usually selects f/4 and counters this setting with other modifications to shutter speed and ISO. The SONY A100's "Super SteadyShot" can certainly help out here, too, with this slower aperture selection.

    Normally, f/2.8 requires your focus be "spot-on", because the "depth of field" is so shallow. If you do not fully understand depth-of-field, let me know and I will try to explain it. It is far more important to understand it than when using f/2.8 (or wider, if available by the lens) as an aperture than other narrower aperture settings (f/4, f/5.6, f/8 ...).

    Your old lens didn't have a good enough maximum aperture to be used indoors. The new 70-200mm f/2.8 has every capability your old lens had ... plus the ability to take it where the sun don't shine.

    So, you can probably sell your older lens, when you buy the 70-200mm f/2.8, unless you feel the new one (48 oz.) may be too heavy for your outdoor use. It is a lot of weight on your neck. Your old lens probably weighs less than half that.

    There's a lot of ground to cover with this decision. You would have the luxury of switching back and forth ... so I'd keep the old one, if your images are turning out just as nice. Shoot some side-by-sides and compare the results. You will see the differences, if they are obvious.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 01-26-2007 at 08:21 PM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    The "kit" lens

    I also have the SONY 18-70 "kit" lens that came with the SONY A100. Personally, it has been put away and will not be used again. The images it produces are sub-par, in my estimation, and not worthy of the camera. You defeat your purpose of good imagery using this lens. If it is all you can afford, well that's one thing ... but if you can buy a decent lens ... DO IT.

    My recommendation is to purchase a replacement lens, in that same class. My personal choice, after having shot with it for nearly a year straight, is the award-winning

    Everyone who has used this lens will testify to its image quality and capability. At f/2.8, it is definitely your indoor zoom lens for most work. While not necessarily used for a gymnast's floor routines, when you get close (within 20 feet), this is the lens to use.
    Last edited by DonSchap; 01-26-2007 at 08:04 PM.
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
    A Photographer Is Forever
    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

    flickr & Sdi

  6. #6
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    Don,
    I really want to thank you for all your help. I think it makes sense to me to go ahead and buy the Tamron SP AF 17-50mm f/2.8 XR.
    I will let you know how it works out for me.
    Thanks again

    Mark

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