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  1. #1571
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    *sm-ACK*



    It is also good flag etiquette to burn the flag if it touched the ground due to careless mishandling, I believe.

    The US flag is a symbol now scorned by some, but once carrying such a powerful meaning of freedom (religious and secular), courage and God-bestowed blessing that none of this was considered over the top, merely a due honor. I for one would like it if we still upheld these old rules, if for nothing else for the sake of a good tradition that bears remembering (and, hey, for the freedom that Americans still possess, but know not the value of, having known nothing else).
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    You 'sir' are to be congratulated.

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    It is also good flag etiquette to burn the flag if it touched the ground due to careless mishandling, I believe.

    The US flag is a symbol now scorned by some, but once carrying such a powerful meaning of freedom (religious and secular), courage and God-bestowed blessing that none of this was considered over the top, merely a due honor. ).
    The trouble is your feel good feelings of america & the flag aren't real for the rest of the world. America is a great counrty with history & pride, but sadly I haven't seen jackshit of that in the last 20 years. Prove me wrong, please dont mention any countries that have oil or uranium that the states haven't fought with.
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    Thanks for the info TNB.

    I hope I didnt open up a can of worms and start an arguement!
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    Jason,
    When I ran the cub scouts here, we had them participate in the ceremony and they helped collect old tattered flags in the community as well. We actually handed out new ones to replace ones we burned so the people could have new ones. We had to explain to some that there are now 50 stars on the flag.

    Could not find a flag after 9/11, so I made my own 6' x 12'.

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    mystic aquarium

    I thought these came out pretty good. These are straight out of the came.




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    Yeah, I don't really want to argue about this...

    I realize that my post was distinctly American, and you don't have to agree with it. I was talking in context about the ceremony surrounding the US colors.

    But... when it comes to anti-US feeling, I do very much believe that the international media (by this I mean the loose conglomeration of media sources of many countries, but certain American networks, NPR and British BBC come to mind as being important ones) is terribly biased in disfavoring fashion concerning the doings of the United States. I know for a fact that the US does many helpful things around the world (I don't want to start with examples, it's just argument ground there, and I'd like to refrain from going there), but they never are reported, certainly not with the relish which certain powerful media sources have in reporting terrible misdeeds, some of which are completely inaccurate.

    The fact that the US is the only superpower in the world today means that it will be looked upon with a certain dislike by those in power in many other places; also, as huge as it is its needs, in petroleum and other resources too, are gigantic. When it comes to the United States protecting its interests, yes, even in big oil (Gasp!), it has every right to do so, and really there's nothing preventing a nation so powerful from using any means necessary to do so. Not that we do, by any means! But the thing is, with what's available to us by reason of our powerful influence (and military), we really show marked restraint. And that's as it should be, because the USA isn't really greedy. Individuals can be, and are, especially in this murky deep of southern California, but the structure and balance of our economy is toward commerce (which is not greedy - it does not take, but offers and receives by exchange) and increasing success for anyone who wants it enough to work for it. If we were as greedy a people as certain powerful voices make us out to be, we would certainly use the rest of the world in a much more arrogant fashion. But as it is, where oil's concerned, we don't take, we build up a structure where it didn't exist previously in order that we can conduct commerce (so that both parties can succeed). Considering we have to have that resource anyway, or this huge beast of a nation would fall apart at the seams, I think it's pretty fair of us to do it like this. We don't have to, but we do, because by and large America is still a very fair nation (I see signs of its decay, yes, and it makes me unhappy to no end, but the character still holds, for now).

    I'm rambling. What I believe, in essence, is that most folks are misinformed, because for whatever reason most media sources would rather talk about what this nation does wrong than what it does right.
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    Rich, I like that picture alot. It looks like something you would see in a Ford commercial


    fionndruinne, I am with you 110%! It really gets under my skin when I hear "Anti US" BS. If people actually took time to look at the numbers, USA is the most giving nation in the world, but I digress....

    I feel kinda foolish for not knowing about the flag "retirement" ceremony, especially with the family I have... many war vets. I thank you all for taking the time to explain it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fionndruinne View Post
    It is also good flag etiquette to burn the flag if it touched the ground due to careless mishandling, I believe.
    That's not correct since it actually depends on the serviceability of the flag. Check the site link I posted earlier to the federal statutes.
    Quote Originally Posted by T06 View Post
    The trouble is your feel good feelings of america & the flag aren't real for the rest of the world. America is a great counrty with history & pride, but sadly I haven't seen jackshit of that in the last 20 years. Prove me wrong, please dont mention any countries that have oil or uranium that the states haven't fought with.
    So how are us US Americans not supposed to take your comment? Ever hear of ARPA or DARPA? Without them, you wouldn't even have internet. Myself, I could care less about sacrificing Americans for others who couldn't give a damn about them. Yes, I served. And I also used to be a police officer--people like to talk a lot of trash about cops in general as well until they need something. Then again, many people tend to do that about a lot of people until they want something--especially, when it comes to asserting unfounded GENERALIZATIONS about "people" as if they were the "political" base as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fionndruinne View Post
    When it comes to the United States protecting its interests, yes, even in big oil (Gasp!), it has every right to do so, and really there's nothing preventing a nation so powerful from using any means necessary to do so.

    But as it is, where oil's concerned, we don't take, we build up a structure where it didn't exist previously in order that we can conduct commerce (so that both parties can succeed).
    i'm not going to get dragged into a discussion about this, especially in this thread, but this post really struck me as a really sad point of view.
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