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  1. #1
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    Thumbs up $7500 Photography Shopping Spree

    I thought Don's "If you could do it all over" thread was really interesting- I learned a lot reading up on people's choices that I wasn't familiar with.

    Here's the next challenge- You've got a $7500 budget and only have to get to 300mm and that can be done by teleconverter if you so choose. Use will be purely as amateur hobby, landscapes, people, the ocassional sporting event.

    This isn't a hypothetical challenge, I'm planning on buying it at the end of the month! Can you come up with a better way to invest this money in gear than my current approach below (Assuming nothing new at Photokina)?

    You can also put together a list of the essential software that I should plan on purchasing and its cost. (Seperate budget) I've been putting together my own list based on advertising and reviews and want to see if I'm going down the right path. My actual plan is to start shooting with JPEG for a few months until I'm comfortable with all of the new equipment and then start shooting in RAW when I'll have the time to spend learning post processing tools. Printer- From what I've read it seems that it is much cheaper to have an outside company do your 4x6 and larger printing than doing it yourself. If that's true then I'll just need a quality 4x6 'convenience' printer. If that's mistaken and my larger prints should be done in-house then include your printer choice with the software budget.

    Prize - TBA (I've still gotta think of something interesting)

    Canon EOS 30D $1199
    Canon BG-E2 battery grip $169
    Canon EF 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM $689
    Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM $1079
    Canon 70-200 f/2.8 IS $1699
    Canon 1.4 TC $285
    Canon Speedlite 580EX $379
    Canon EW-83E Lens hood for 10-22 $34
    Extra battery pack $50
    Gitzo 1325 tripod $558
    Gitzo 1321 tripod leveling kit $186
    Really Right Stuff BH-55 Ballhead $455
    Really Right Stuff BGE2-L30 L bracket plate for EOS30L $183
    Really Right Stuff B86 plate for 70-200 f/2.8 L IS lens $55
    (2) Sandisk 2gb Extreme III cards $144
    Subtotal $7,164
    Camera bag, shoulder strap, cleaning cloth, filters $336
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    $7500

    Let's get at it- I want to have my camera before the leaves start turning colors!
    Last edited by RichNY; 09-11-2006 at 08:59 AM.

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    Almost perfect. Except you won't need the additional lens hood for the 70-200: it comes with one. You should get one for the 17-55 though.

    Ditch the BH-55 in favour of the BH-40, likewise the levelling base for the tripod and buy a 50mm f/1.4 instead.

    That will be a very nice kit.

    Also the 1325 may be overkill - try a series 2 instead and see if you have any money left over for an extension tube.
    Last edited by cwphoto; 09-11-2006 at 06:48 AM.
    Christian Wright; Dip Phot
    EOS 5D Mark III | EOS 600D | EOS-1V HS
    L: 14/2.8 II | 24/1.4 II | 35/1.4 | 50/1.2 | 85/1.2 II | 135/2 | 180/3.5 Macro | 200/2.8 II | 400/2.8 IS | 16-35/2.8 II | 24-105/4 IS | 70-200/2.8 IS II | 100-400/4.5-5.6 IS
    580EX II | EF 12 II | EF 25 II

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    a *good printing setup would easily eat up half your budget already, not to mention a steep learning curve. Unless you desire to print on papers other than the usual photo mat/semi gloss/gloss and/or will be printing in large volume then outsourcing your prints is cheaper.


    * "good" as in where i would spend my money
    Last edited by ReF; 09-11-2006 at 06:53 AM.
    canon 17-40 L, 70-200 f2.8 L, 400 f5.6 L, 50 f1.4 & f1.8, 1.4x TC, sigma 15 f2.8 fisheye, flash 500 DG Super, kenko extension tubes

    note to self: don't participate in sad, silly threads unless you're looking for sad, silly responses.

    "anti-BS filter" (from andy): http://dcresource.com/forums/showpos...94&postcount=4

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    I don't know about the Canon EW-33 hood, but, the EW-83E is the hood for the EF-s 10-22.

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    Rebel- Thanks, I corrected my typo

    Ref- Will outsource. Only looking for a convenience 4x6 printer then for light use.

    cwphoto- You are correct about the 70-200 hood. I'll update and add to the budget

    B&H shows that the 17-55 comes with a HB-31 hood
    http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...ughType=search

    $315 for a 50mm f/1.4 doesn't seem un-doable.

    *I went with the larger tripod and ball because I'm planning to purchase a larger lens down the road and did't want to have to upgrade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichNY
    *I went with the larger tripod and ball because I'm planning to purchase a larger lens down the road and did't want to have to upgrade.
    Sounds reasonable to me.
    Christian Wright; Dip Phot
    EOS 5D Mark III | EOS 600D | EOS-1V HS
    L: 14/2.8 II | 24/1.4 II | 35/1.4 | 50/1.2 | 85/1.2 II | 135/2 | 180/3.5 Macro | 200/2.8 II | 400/2.8 IS | 16-35/2.8 II | 24-105/4 IS | 70-200/2.8 IS II | 100-400/4.5-5.6 IS
    580EX II | EF 12 II | EF 25 II

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    What escapes me is the large amount of money dedicated to tripod gear, and the selection of IS lenses. You do know that you need to turn IS off when on a tripod, and that a tripod is not really needed even at 200mm with IS?

    What I am trying to say is, why the choice for both?
    You could save yourself some money by getting the 70-200 f2.8 L.

    It all depends on what you think you will use your tripod for I guess. It is rather cumbersome to take a tripod along, and set it up for a shot, having to put it away again and such. That is where the IS came in...
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    7500?

    1D Mark IIN - 3499 (buydig.com)
    Canon 17-40 F4L - 679 (beach camera)
    580 EX 375.95 (buydig.com)
    Canon 70-200 F2.8 L IS 1679 (buydig.com)
    Canon 1.4 TC (280)
    (2) Ritek Pro 150 cards 38.99 each (newegg.com)
    Canon 50 1.4 320 (buydig.com)
    Camera bag, tripod, etc = rest of 600$ left.


    Why am I suggested a 1d mk2? Simple. It's lightyears beyond the 30D in terms of AF speed and accuracy. It's built like a tank (litteraly) and is fully sealed. If you've got cash to burn you can buy a body that WILL be around in 5 years without any issue.

    Will it be harder to learn at first? Sure. But you get huge advantage in terms of build, reliability, sealing, AF, 1.3 crop sensor, double memory devices, insane battery life, resale value, buffer space, 100% viewfinder view, replacable screens, etc etc.

    Optionally you could replace the 17-40 with a 24-105 F4L IS or 24-70 F2.8 and spend less on tripod. Though you do lose some of the wide angel which if your shooting landscapes might be nice.

    As far as software goes:

    Photoshop Cs2. You can do pretty much everything you need in CS2. Shooting raw is NOT that hard and I'd suggest starting in raw and learning that. Most bodies listed in your consideration are Raw + jpeg compatible so you could always shoot in both (some do anyway for quick previews or no edits) and with a 1 series you could have jpeg go to a SD card, raws to your CF.


    Tim
    Last edited by timmciglobal; 09-11-2006 at 08:07 AM.

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    Tim-I don't think I'd want that big and heavy a body for a walk around hobby camera- it's almost 2x the size/weight. I'm not too concerned about the 30D being around in 5 years- that would be the most likely component to be replaced by newer technology anyway and my thinking was the any camera I buy will depreciate much quicker than glass so the more of my budget that is in glass the higher my resale value. But it really was the size and complexity that made me not even consider this camera, just as the Rebel was too small for me. Fully sealed and build quality -would have been nice.

    Reason behind tripod gear- I know I'm going to want to purchase a larger lens down the road and I didn't want to have to replace my tripod. I'm also planning on shooting on windy days and from what I've been reading almost everyone is recommending the 1325 over the 1228. Same reason I spent an extra $100 on the bigger ballhead. The quick mounting kits are a luxury.

    I will be using the 70-200 handheld as well as on the tripod. I know the IS isn't used on the tripod but I wanted it for when hand holding. From what I've read the weight of the 2.8 and size make it a more challenging lens to hand hold w/o IS. Is it true that it IS is more important on this lens than on say the 17-55?

    Not saying I'm right on any of the above- just giving you what the reasons were behind the decisions. I'm still open to all ideas- heck, I switched from Nikon to Canon based on what I've learned on here.

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    Could always buy a D200 and get weather sealing and deep buffer for 2 grand less...



    Honestly, 30D + grip + 2 batteries is gonna come pretty close in size/weight to a 1 series.

    Tim

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