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  1. #21
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    A few very valid points to counter in-body IS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwphoto
    A few very valid points to counter in-body IS.
    Yes, it's very well reasoned though I'm wondering if anyone here who has either a K100D or a Sony A100 can actually test out the long lens theory and see just how much they can get out of it. I'm particiarly interested in seeing how the in-body systems fare with 300, 400 or even 500mm lenses (Bigma?). There will be some stabilization, but just how much can you gain at that point?

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    Seems pretty clear what entry level camera to advise people on.

    One notable absense on the "upgrades" list is the viewfinder though. Canon maintaining the separation from the 30D?

    I'm also curious if they put a proper backlighting on the LCD, since it's so hard to see in bright daylight. Now that the controls are displayed there, seems appropriate. However; if they're all visible in the viewfinder, that's probably sufficient.

    Rex, any reliable word on rebates yet?


    BTW: Great job on all this digging!
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    I think this is laying the ground work for a big upgrade in the next X0D itteration. . .

    I think the focus on the entry level body aligns with Peters remarks, they can't loose that market. . . They brought it with adding the 30Ds focus system to the entry level body. . . One can only expect the improvements shifting up the line like this in the near future. . .

    Oh ya. . . BTW - when this camera hits the shelves its really going to be the infared body I told you about. . . damn I sware that Canon briefed me on that one too. . . . oh well. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex914
    Yes, it's very well reasoned though I'm wondering if anyone here who has either a K100D or a Sony A100 can actually test out the long lens theory and see just how much they can get out of it. I'm particiarly interested in seeing how the in-body systems fare with 300, 400 or even 500mm lenses (Bigma?). There will be some stabilization, but just how much can you gain at that point?
    You know, they could auto-sensor if an IS lens is attached and simply disable the feature if so. And they say "to achieve the same effect as ... 400mm or 500mm". So, what about simply providing a lesser benifit. After all, they still need a whole slew of IS lenses for the pros, since obviously in-lens IS (for the time being) will always offer greater potenital.

    Sounds like a marketing guy stalling. They like getting $300 - 500 for each IS unit, rather than seeing an entry camera priced at $800 with IS ... in other words giving it away. They'de want to have an entry level camera for $1100 minimum and that just wouldn't compete. And to boot, they would loose a lot of IS lens sales.

    I'm not sore about it, just seeing through the BS. They are scientifically valid arguements, but still with a sharp marketing angle. IMO.


    Quote Originally Posted by aparmley
    I think this is laying the ground work for a big upgrade in the next X0D itteration. . .

    I think the focus on the entry level body aligns with Peters remarks, they can't loose that market. . . They brought it with adding the 30Ds focus system to the entry level body. . . One can only expect the improvements shifting up the line like this in the near future. . .

    Oh ya. . . BTW - when this camera hits the shelves its really going to be the infared body I told you about. . . damn I sware that Canon briefed me on that one too. . . . oh well. . .
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    So Jamie, whaddaya think?

    this new 50 is the 85 L of the crop world - you must be pretty tempted...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vich
    I'm also curious if they put a proper backlighting on the LCD, since it's so hard to see in bright daylight. Now that the controls are displayed there, seems appropriate. However; if they're all visible in the viewfinder, that's probably sufficient.
    You can not get a screen that gives light to be easy to see in bight light. You need a display that reflects light instead, like paper does. Reflecting light, instead of being a light source. The technology for this is immature though, and can not yet display photos in a reasonable quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cwphoto
    So Jamie, whaddaya think?

    this new 50 is the 85 L of the crop world - you must be pretty tempted...
    I know - but $1600 Especially since 50mm's so close to 35mm, and there's no way I'm giving up my 35 f1.4!

    And I'm back to loving my 85 f1.8 after using it at a couple of weddings and a recent Senior shoot. Just can't bring myself to pull the $2000 trigger on the 85 f1.2...though the extra stop would be handy...

    My CPS app should be approved soon, so I might be trying a few things out...
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    For those who are interested, ISO 1600 photo taken with new XTi (that's one handsome lad ) :
    http://kamerabild.mkf.se/ArticlePage.../ISO1600_s.jpg

    (Taken BTW with the new 70-200 F4L IS.)

    Personally I hardly ever go above ISO 200/400 maybe, but the performance for the new 10MP sensor looks comparable to what we've seen from the original XT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 24Peter
    (that's one handsome lad )
    Looks like he plays hockey without a helmet!

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