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    Lenses...damn the learning curve...

    ok..here I go posting the thread that I warned about in "Caught between two Canons"

    So the question is...can I get some advisement on some lens purchases given what I want to do (see above referenced thread if your lost about what i mean).

    Say I have a budget of $1000 (maybe a bit more) and REALLY prefer to stick with Canon.

    Here are some of what I am considering and some prices from a local camera store. ( www.adraycamera.com )

    50mm f/1.8 (if I can, the f/1.4) $74.95 ($309.95 -$25 rebate)
    -dcresource buying guide says "a MUST have"
    -might as well figure I am getting this one
    17-40 f/4L USM -$679.95 - $50 rebate
    -was cautioned about getting an ultra wide early in the game
    -REALLY tempted
    28-200mm f/3.5-5.6 USM - $359.95
    -seems like a GREAT price
    70-200 f/4L USM - $619.00 - $40 rebate
    -thinking I would really need IS tho
    17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM - $529.00
    -once again...the caution about the ultra wide...but has IS
    28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM - $429.00
    -seems like a good option
    -strongly leaning toward this one

    I already know I definately need to get the 430EX.

    Thanks in advance for all your input...AGAIN!!!

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    I don't buy lenses in stores usually unless its very high priced L glass. Buying on forums like fredmiranda's buy/sell can save you alot of money and get just as good glass in most cases.

    Tim

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmciglobal
    I don't buy lenses in stores usually unless its very high priced L glass. Buying on forums like fredmiranda's buy/sell can save you alot of money and get just as good glass in most cases.

    Tim

    ...noted; but for a newbie like me, a good reference point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMWallace
    ok..here I go posting the thread that I warned about in "Caught between two Canons"

    So the question is...can I get some advisement on some lens purchases given what I want to do (see above referenced thread if your lost about what i mean).

    Say I have a budget of $1000 (maybe a bit more) and REALLY prefer to stick with Canon.

    Here are some of what I am considering and some prices from a local camera store. ( www.adraycamera.com )

    50mm f/1.8 (if I can, the f/1.4) $74.95 ($309.95 -$25 rebate)
    -dcresource buying guide says "a MUST have"
    -might as well figure I am getting this one
    17-40 f/4L USM -$679.95 - $50 rebate
    -was cautioned about getting an ultra wide early in the game
    -REALLY tempted
    28-200mm f/3.5-5.6 USM - $359.95
    -seems like a GREAT price
    70-200 f/4L USM - $619.00 - $40 rebate
    -thinking I would really need IS tho
    17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM - $529.00
    -once again...the caution about the ultra wide...but has IS
    28-135 f/3.5-5.6 IS USM - $429.00
    -seems like a good option
    -strongly leaning toward this one

    I already know I definately need to get the 430EX.

    Thanks in advance for all your input...AGAIN!!!
    The only advice I can give you is to pass on the these lenses:

    17-85 some followers but overall its IQ is dissapointing people
    50 1.8 roll the dice? 80 bucks is still 80bucks - makes that 50 1.4 80 bucks cheaper!
    28-200 - IQ is not up to par and its a little slow.

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    The 28-135 IS could be usefull - IS may be useful but thats the only attractive thing about this lens.

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    "17-40 f/4L USM -$679.95 - $50 rebate
    -was cautioned about getting an ultra wide early in the game"

    Why the caution against ultra wide? This is the very lens I was going to start w/. A review by the guy behind this forum said he thought this lens (17-40) was an excellent choice for a kinda all around lens for digital cameras.

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    Hmm...

    The 17-40 is not an ultra wide at all, unless you have a full fram 5D. Which you don't. So, in that case, it is NOT ultra wide at all. 28-64mm... it gets to be almost like a standard 28-80 zoom. This is quite a good lens, but nothing stellar though. This will eat into your budget if that is only 1000$. Ultralwide is more like a Tokina 12-24mm f4.

    The 70-200 f4. Why do you feel you need IS? You do not NEED it at all. sometimes it can help, but need? No. If you feel you NEED IS, then look at the 70-300 IS USM.

    17-85: NOT good optically. Again, nothing ultra wide about it at all. Unless you have a full frame camera, but then it will not fit.

    28-135: You do seem to be fixated on IS. Why? Do you have shaking hands? This lens is sort of ok optically, but a better and cheaper lens is the EF 28-105 f3.5-4.5 USM II.

    So, what would I advice?

    For a limitted budget, buy lenses that give you possibilities to learn and explore. Not the most expensive so you have no money left for other things...

    "Ultra wide"
    For landscapes, city scapes and all kinds of creative sillyness.
    Tokina 12-24 f4. I know it is not Canon, but who cares? It is a really nice lens for a bit over 400$.

    "standard zoom"
    If you do get a wide lens, you may not miss the 17-28mm gap. So, then get a Canon EF 28-105 f3.5-4.5 USM II. A very good lens for the money, surpirisingly sharp and great colour for the price.

    Good tele zoom.
    Ef 70-200 f4 L. Light for a 70-200, which is its real plus. And just a great lens, and you do not need IS... so do not fixate on that.

    50mm f1.8.
    I know the f1.4 version is better built and had all in all a better rep., but the f1.4 will take a big bite out of a limitted budget. And the f1.8 is quite capable all on its own. And you can later get a f1.4.
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    My $.02.

    The 50 f1.8 is a no brainer, spend the $80. (Sorry Parm - mine's still top shelf in the IQ dept).

    You definitely want a lens that goes out to 17mm on a crop body like the XT or 20/30D. With the crop factor a 17mm lens is 28mm's - a lens that starts at 28mm is 45mm (not wide at all).

    Sorry rainy, but I have to disagree on the 17-40 - it's a stellar lens, and just about the best WA that Canon makes. It is my most used lens, and I am consistently happy with the color/contrast/sharpness from it.

    There are a lot of them out there, so check the Fred Mirada BnS forum to get one for around $600.

    Then add a 70-200 f4 (around $550 used), and you are covered with a very high quality setup.

    I know, I've added about $200 to your budget with my 17-40, 50, 70-200 suggestion, but you'll never regret an investment in nice glass!
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    Actually - about the best deal running right now...

    17-40 Refurb $600

    70-200 f4 Refurb $500

    2 "L" lenses, $1100...surely you can afford an extra $100 - In my best Sally Struthers voice "For the small price of a Starbucks coffee a day..."
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    you guys knew my lazy butt was gonna post these links again

    http://dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19055

    http://dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19178

    http://dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19118

    http://dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18469

    http://dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18617

    they are similar threads that talk about the usual lenses that people starting off usually consider/buy. i wrote up a bunch of reviews here if you're interested: http://dcresource.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15252 the bulk of what i have to say are in those reviews and old threads

    a few weeks ago i figured out which lenses i would purchase if i were on a small budget that i had to live with for a long while, and ended up with: tokina 12-24, canon 28-105 USM, canon 70-200 f4, canon 50 f1.8, tamron or kenko 1.4x TC SP. alright, that's over your budget, but it does cover a huge range and a wide variety of shooting.

    i agree with jamie on the 17-40L - i love mine. that lens and the 70-200 f2.8 are the favs in my bag. i really like the 17/18-40mm+ range on a 1.6x crop because the range can cover quite a bit of everyday shooting situations. IMO the ultra wides top out a little short to be useful for a walkaround lens, and the ones that start off at 28mm lack on the wide end (which leads to more lens switching), at least for me - some people say they don't miss anything wider than an effective FOV of 45mm. i like the suggestion of getting a used/refurbished 17-40 and 70-200 f4 as well. great lenses to start off with especially if you don't have an itch to go ultra-wide, though i can't live without a 1.4x TC

    the 50mm f1.8................. i'd get it at a place that you could easily make exchanges at, and make sure they have a few in stock. it should be really quite a capable lens if it has no focusing issues. the bokeh does bother me quite a bit though. budget permitting, i'd skip the f1.8 and go straight for a f1.4 (from a person who has used the f1.8 quite a bit and also owns the f1.4)
    Last edited by ReF; 05-18-2006 at 06:49 AM.
    canon 17-40 L, 70-200 f2.8 L, 400 f5.6 L, 50 f1.4 & f1.8, 1.4x TC, sigma 15 f2.8 fisheye, flash 500 DG Super, kenko extension tubes

    note to self: don't participate in sad, silly threads unless you're looking for sad, silly responses.

    "anti-BS filter" (from andy): http://dcresource.com/forums/showpos...94&postcount=4

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    Thanks jamison

    Nice prices on those L's...but I have a concern that they are both 4's. I will be taking my share of indoor shots, is my concern unwarrented??

    ReF - Been looking heavily at those pages...that is where I got the info "Doesn't work for low-light photos though."

    I have the kit lens. Figured for the extra $100 what the heck. If I get something like the 50mm I always have that in the event a huge problem comes about. So, besides that...If I was going to get ONE lens, most versitle, best for the money...would be what??
    Last edited by JMWallace; 05-18-2006 at 07:01 AM.

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