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  1. #1
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    lens suggestions for 30D? should i replace 17-85mm?

    hi, just bought a canon 30D with 17-85mm IS USM, i know, lots of people would recommend me not to get the 17-85mm, but there is something wrong with me, i really have to try it before i regret it haha... anyways....

    i would like some suggestions for a replacement for 17-85mm IS USM, i heard there is big distortion at wide angles... which is not good for me... i generally like to take lots of shots, landscape or objects or portraits... nightshots as well... i will definitely buy the 50mm 1.8 prime lens, but i need certain lens... i dont really mind if its canon brand or not, sigma and tamron is ok...

    price? i would say i will resell my 17-85... so thats roughly 350 pounds... make it 600USD? im not sure... it would be perfect if someone could recommend me with two lens for this price range... i dont really need the IS, but hey, if there is an IS, it would be better right?

    what i really matter is the quality itself and the picture quality as well... i really like my picture to amaze me with a "WOW" effect! not like 17-85 which gives me a "thats a nice picture..." effect... guess you know what i mean...

    built? it doesnt really matter, as long as its not heavy as a rock... hehe by the way, maybe a canon lens would be nice cuz ive got a cashback voucher when i bought this camera, so it might be a good use for me. but like what ive said a while ago, sigma and tamron lens are ok too so well... guess thats it... in advance, i woud like to say thank you to those who give me suggestions ! thanks
    Last edited by drew_viii; 04-17-2006 at 02:39 PM.

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    Well... most zooms that end at 18mm have quite some distortion, this in not just a "feature" of the 17-85 IS USM. Nikon's 18-70, 18-200, the 18-55 kit lenses, the 18-125 and 18-200 from Sigma, it's just the nature of the inexpensive beasts to have barrel distortion at the wide end.

    The only way to not have a lot of barrel distortion at around 18mm is to buy a wide angle zoom like the Canon 10-22 USM or Tokina 12-24 f4. The Tokina is cheapest of the two, and has the best sharpness, vignetting and distortion at around 18mm. But at 12mm it does have some barrel distortion. Above that it gets quite distortion free. I just bought this lens, and the weather is not playing nice so I have not tested it well yet. I did notice chromatic aberations at 12mm, but no purple fringing. It has great colour and contrast... like a mini-L.

    Of course you could consider an EF 17-40 f4 L, but it is limitted in the wide end, more expensive, and will have less performance at 17mm than the above mentioned lenses.

    So, if you can resell your lens, I would go for a Tokina 12-24 (for landcsapes) and a 28-105 f3.5-f4.5 USM II for the "portrait" range.
    Last edited by coldrain; 04-17-2006 at 03:02 PM.
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    Two lenses to join the party with...

    Picture this...

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    Covering the 24-70mm range &

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    covering the 70-200mm range.

    It's as clear as BLACK & WHITE.

    Now, where were we? Oh yeah, what to do with the nasty 17-85mm you got in the kit...
    Don Schap - BFA, Digital Photography
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    Look, I did not create the optical laws of the Universe ... I simply learned to deal with them.
    Remember: It is usually the GLASS, not the camera (except for moving to Full Frame), that gives you the most improvement in your photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSchap
    Picture this...


    Covering the 24-70mm range &

    covering the 70-200mm range.

    It's as clear as BLACK & WHITE.

    Now, where were we? Oh yeah, what to do with the nasty 17-85mm you got in the kit...
    Those will be a bit expensive, over stated budget... and 24mm, that is not really wide. So the original poster still will need something wider... even more expensive.
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    thanks for the advices...

    well the black and white seems nice, but yeah, bit expensive, or i can say its expensive for me for the mean time, couldnt spend more cuz just bought a new 30D hehe, anyways...

    i like your suggestion coldrain... it seems nice idea to have a wide angle lens, but one thing im curious is, are those 2 lens you suggested have better sharpness, color or generally the picture quality than 17-85mm? im also considering the 17-40mm, but, would sacrifice at the end... which i have to spend more money for it to cover the long range... and it might be out of the budget then....

    ive realized that if i want nice pictures taken from my 17-85mm, i have to do some processing in order to make it nice.. photoshop things... which i really dont want to keep on doing everyday.... so are those 2 lens good for non processing pictures? tnx

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    I think it is safe to say that both will preform a bit better than the 17-85, both in colour and in sharpness. You will of course lose the IS (but gain in aperture with that 50mm anyway).
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    oky i got it... ei coldrain, can you post here some of your shots you took using your tokina lens? i want to see some sample pictures im thinking to look for a second hand lens tomorrow while im looking for my tripod manfrotto sounds nice... but pricey hopefully i could get all the lens i need tomorrow

    more suggestions plz guys tnx

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    I had the EOS 350D in its standard setting here (parameter settings 1) which is not the most neutral... but anyway. Without polarizer, mind you.
    All 3 from the Tokina 12-24mmf4 at 12mm, just to play with the lens. You can see how contrasty and clear this lens is. What amazed me is the dark sky, i know it was very clear that day, but this is like the lens is self polarizing! (which is impossible). All totally unprocessed, except scaling down and jpeg compression from saving.
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    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    Sample 2... same.
    Nothing special, there has only been one sunny day or so since I have this lens.
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    And a 3rd one. The converging lines are not a product of barrel distortion, but a normal occurence because the camera was pointing slightly upwards. If you want to avoid these lines converging you need to keep the camera totally level with wide angle lenses.
    Again, not processed.
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    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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