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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvdnberg
    I don't live in Tilburg anymore, actually I live in Capelle near a well known internet store with plenty on stock but I don't go there anymore because they are very arrogant and treat you awfully quite often. I went to Zeist for the camera and 50mm lens. Small store, but very friendly and they know what they're doing and offer service as well as sharp prices.

    You all got me going back and forth on this issue though.. first I get a lot of votes for the 135 and now everyone's like 'no get the 105'... it's confusing! I'll put a little more research in it later. I still am waiting for the initial price quote on both lenses.
    Without re-reading the thread, I think only 2 people recommended the IS lens versus perhaps 6 for the non-IS.

    Non IS is sharper and a bit faster, lighter, and cheaper but has a shorter range. IS is softer, slower, heavier, more expensive with a bit longer range.

    My personal opinion is sharp trumps soft. An image stablized, shake-free soft photo is more disappointing to me than working within the limits of a lens to get a sharp picture. You can always use the 50mm f/1.8 if you're having trouble getting shutter speeds due to lack of light. Or you can get a tripod for the zoom and have old-fashioned IS. You can't make a soft picture sharp.
    Ouch.

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    IF it helps I can post some sample images. . .

    28-105 3.5-4.5 USM II

    wide open at 4.5 at 105mm


    again wide open at 4.5 105mm










    Those are the only images I have online now. . . I'll try to dig up more. . .
    Nikon D90 | Sigma 10-20 HSM | DX 18-105 f3.5-5.6 VR | DX 55-200 VR | 35 f/2.0 D | 50 f/1.4 D | 85mm F/1.8 D | SB-800 x 3 | SU-800
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  3. #23
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    You can find some pictures here from the 28-135 IS:

    http://www.flickr.com/groups/54903324@N00/

    I'm sure some are PPed, but then if you do want to do some PP anyway, it shows what could be possible. Anyway, I'd pick the IS, but, as we all know, one's copy of either lens may vary. Obviously, the 28-105 is about half the price.

    Here are some more comparisons that go either way:

    http://www.photo.net/equipment/canon/28zooms/
    http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/28_135zoom/
    http://www.tawbaware.com/canon_lens_test.htm
    http://www.kjsl.com/~dave/lenstest/lenstest.html

    Some other ideas for the $400ish pricepoint:

    1) Used Canon 17-85 EF-S IS
    2) Sigma 24-70 F2.8 EX DG

  4. #24
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    That reminds me:

    If you want a great sample image resource check out pbase.com:

    28-105

    28-135 IS
    Nikon D90 | Sigma 10-20 HSM | DX 18-105 f3.5-5.6 VR | DX 55-200 VR | 35 f/2.0 D | 50 f/1.4 D | 85mm F/1.8 D | SB-800 x 3 | SU-800
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    Thanks aparmley, I did know that so very handy search function on pBase, was about to look them up.

    Honestly I'm close to banging my head on the table. If only I'd win the lottery tomorrow, it would make things so much simpler......
    Karin van den Berg
    Canon EOS 30D
    Canon 50mm f/1.8 II
    Canon 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 USM II (Ordered)
    Canon 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM
    Canon Powershot G2 / Canon Powershot A520

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvdnberg
    Honestly I'm close to banging my head on the table. If only I'd win the lottery tomorrow, it would make things so much simpler......
    We've all been there. Just know you can't get a lens to do it all and you can't get every lens you want at once. . . Its a process, its a journey - one step at a time.

    You're welcome BTW. . . Anything to help out. I feel like I should also mention I was looking for an economical yet good performing travel lens and made my own thread about it months ago and I ended up with the 28-105.
    Nikon D90 | Sigma 10-20 HSM | DX 18-105 f3.5-5.6 VR | DX 55-200 VR | 35 f/2.0 D | 50 f/1.4 D | 85mm F/1.8 D | SB-800 x 3 | SU-800
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by aparmley
    We've all been there. Just know you can't get a lens to do it all and you can't get every lens you want at once. . . Its a process, its a journey - one step at a time.

    You're welcome BTW. . . Anything to help out. I feel like I should also mention I was looking for an economical yet good performing travel lens and made my own thread about it months ago and I ended up with the 28-105.
    Good to know, I'll try and take a peek at that thread. How do you find the 28-105 performing next to the Sigma 70-300?

    I've been flipping through my cash-back vouchers and did notice one for a 70-300 lens in there somewhere....
    Karin van den Berg
    Canon EOS 30D
    Canon 50mm f/1.8 II
    Canon 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 USM II (Ordered)
    Canon 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM
    Canon Powershot G2 / Canon Powershot A520

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    Quote Originally Posted by kvdnberg
    Good to know, I'll try and take a peek at that thread. How do you find the 28-105 performing next to the Sigma 70-300?

    I've been flipping through my cash-back vouchers and did notice one for a 70-300 lens in there somewhere....
    While the range is obviously different overall the Canon is a superior lens. The Sigma is definitely nothing to sqauwk at, its an excellent performer in its price range and if you stay below 250-300mm. But the speed and accuracy of USM can't be beat. The canon is also faster at 3.5-4.5 where the Sigma is its fastest at 4.5 around 70-90mm. Image quality is better with the Canon and sharpness is a toss up - with out any formal testing I'd have to say sharpness goes to the Canon because at 5.6 its is stopped down - the Sigma is either slightly stopped down or wide open depending on focal lenght.
    Nikon D90 | Sigma 10-20 HSM | DX 18-105 f3.5-5.6 VR | DX 55-200 VR | 35 f/2.0 D | 50 f/1.4 D | 85mm F/1.8 D | SB-800 x 3 | SU-800
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  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by kvdnberg
    Honestly I'm close to banging my head on the table. If only I'd win the lottery tomorrow, it would make things so much simpler......
    Me too. Then I read a post about another lens and it sets me thinking again. I'm not even thinking about a 3rd party lens maker either as it just adds to the confusion.

    Anyway, as I can't really afford, and certainly can't justify, spending lots of cash on a top lens, I shall compromise by buying an affordable lens. Actually, what I really need is a bit of sun so I can take some good pictures! All we've had here lately is rain and overcast conditions...actually it's been a bit sunny the last two days but I bet that vanishes at the weekend!

    Thanks aparmley for those shots. I have been scouring the net for pictures but it gets to the stage where most shots (whichever lens) look good and it just adds to the confusion.

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    I've been trying to get onto the dpreview forums to ask the same question there but can't seem to register (takes hours for the password to arrive and then it doesn't work). Sent a support email days ago but no response

    anyway, decided to do a little google search and low and behold, everyone raves about the 135. Can it get any more confusing?

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...essage=1202298
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...thread=1376576
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...thread=1400920
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...7&changemode=1

    I'm gonna get an exif statistics tool (That also does raw) to see what I've done with the G2, especially in terms of shutter speed and focal length (which is still rather confusing to me because the G2 is not 1.6 but something more if I'm not mistaken)

    Sigh....
    Karin van den Berg
    Canon EOS 30D
    Canon 50mm f/1.8 II
    Canon 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 USM II (Ordered)
    Canon 70-300 f/4-5.6 IS USM
    Canon Powershot G2 / Canon Powershot A520

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