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  1. #1
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    Better kit lens for D50, 18-55 or 28-80

    Which kit lens do you recommend for D50, 18-55 or 28-80?

    28-80 is a little cheaper, but I hear 18-55 is a little better.
    Last edited by Arch Stanton; 02-23-2006 at 10:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Stanton
    Which lens kit do you recommend for D50, 18-55 or 28-80?

    28-80 is a little cheaper, but I hear 18-55 is a little better (wider angle).
    The 18-55 would be my pick of the two. 17mm to 24mm would be the wide angle range I would buy in a zoom lens for a dSLR due to the crop factor multiplier of 1.5X. Anything, decent, below 17mm gets expensive quickly, and anything above 24mm takes you out of the wide angle relm (again due to the crop factor on APS-C sensored dSLR's.

    If you can go for the extra cost, buy the D50 body and consider the AF-S 18-70 f/3.5-4.5 DX. A much better day-to-day lens in the variable aperture, mid range, zoom group.

    But for a budget system the 18-55 kit is hard to beat.
    D7000, D70, CP990, CP900, FE.
    50mm f/1.8, Sigma 18-125, Sigma 24-70 f/2.8, Nikon 18-105 VR, Nikon 55-200 VR, Nikon 43-86 f/3.5 AiS, Vivitar 28-90 F/2.8-3.5 Macro, Vivitar 75-205 F/3.8-4.8, SB800.
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    The 18-70 may have a bit more reach, and may also be constructed better, but it is not a better lens. It vignets in the corners quite badly and abruptly both at 18mm and at 70mm wide open, and it has very strong barrel distortion in 18mm (and pin cushion at 70mm). It also has a rather confusing and annoying placing of the zoom and focus rings (wrong way around).
    The 18-55 is surprisingly sharp and contrasty, and not a worse choice at all (and a lot less expensive). And for the price of that 18-70 you can have a 18-55 + Sigma 70-300mm APO DG macro....

    If you want to spend more you would be better of looking at the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 EX DC. It has some CA problems wide open, but stopped down it beats the 18-70.
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldrain
    The 18-70 may have a bit more reach, and may also be constructed better, but it is not a better lens.
    Thom Hogan really likes this lens: http://www.bythom.com/1870lens.htm

    Price/Performance winner. This is a far better lens than you'll ever expect for US$300. Far better. Good enough that it stays in my kit for when I want to go light.
    -murray

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    As I've said a few times here in other threads, I am already regretting getting the 28-80 with my D50 last week - 28mm is simply not wide enough on a digital body.
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    As I've said in other threads as well, the 28-80 wasn't wide enough for me either, which is why I replaced it with the 18-70

    Between the 28-80 and 18-55, go with the 18-55.
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    Coldrain:

    Thom also says that he'd go with the 18-70 over the 18-55 in his 18-55 review here. He also says that the 18-55 vignettes as well.

    I don't know where you got your info saying that the 18-70 was no better...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherlock
    Coldrain:

    Thom also says that he'd go with the 18-70 over the 18-55 in his 18-55 review here. He also says that the 18-55 vignettes as well.

    I don't know where you got your info saying that the 18-70 was no better...
    Mr (?) Coldrain just likes to speak as if he is an expert on things that I doubt he knows anything about from first hand experience. His specialty seems to be to regurgitate information that he has read oor heard in such a way as to make the reader believe he is an expert on that subject or product.

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    Mr K1W1 is just... ah well, lets not start name calling. And the "you have to have first hand experience to have a valid opinion" arguement is the most silly arguement ever.

    I do NOT have to have driven an Audi A4 to know it is a very good car in its class. Nor do I have to own an Apple Quad G5 to know it is a very good and fast computer.

    So, lets leave the silly mud slinging you so much like to do whenever I "dare" to post in "your" Nikon DSLR forum, please.

    At least I base my opinion on something, not sour sentiments.

    Mr Rockwell (yes, I know, I am not a fan of his opinionated articles when he posts about things he has not tested) for instance likes the 18-55 more, evern though it is cheaply built.

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1855.htm

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/1870.htm

    The German prof. photomagazine "foto magazin" tested the Canon 18-55 kitlens, Nikon 18-70 kit lens, KM 17-35 kit lens, Olympus 14-45 kit lens and Pentax 18-55 kitlens together in the feb. 2005 mag.

    They found the Canon and Olympus to perform better than the Nikon. Mind you, the Canon is a 100$ lens. Only the Nikon vignets badly at its longest focal length (wide open), and its fall off to the edge is not smooth like with the Canon, but is rather sudden towards the edge. Also its barrel distortion at wide angle is a lot more than with the other kit lenses tested. It also displays the highest pin cushion distortion at the longer focal end.
    All in all only the Pentax kit lens performed worse than the Nikon 18-70.

    So, its optical distortion, together with its odd zoom ring (Ken Rockwell: "My biggest beef with this 18 - 70 is the weird camming of the zoom. The wide focal lengths are crunched together making it hard to set the composition precisely.") and the strange reverse position of the zoom and focus ring do not make it a very impressive lens to me.

    The 18-55 may be cheap, but it is at least cheerful, and performs quite well. And it leaves enough money difference for for instance a Sigma 70-300 APO DG lens!
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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    Data from said test, showing resolution, vignetting, distortion.
    (sorry for the less than stellar reproduction quality, instead of scanning I quickly made some snap shots from hand at not so bright lamp light )
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    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

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