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  1. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonio
    What's the consensus these days about raw mode?
    I used to shoot a lot with it on my G2, but didn't really see great advantages...at least worth the effort in processing several hundred shots after a session.
    Anyway, thinking it's time to upgrade the G2 and the S3 looks like a possible good move for that.
    Before my S2 I had a Konica Minolta A200 which had a very good Raw mode.I expected to use it a lot.In practice I didn't.The files were big and have to be edited with specialist software.I used Rawshooter Essentials(which I found better than the Adobe plugin).Possibly due to my own lack of skill I found it very difficult to get a satisfactory result and would sometimes labour endlessly over these Raw files.In the end I would rarely shoot in Raw and dont miss it on the S2.It follows that lack of Raw for me would not be a reason to give the S3 a miss(though for other reasons I would not upgrade}

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    Canon 18-55 f3.5-5.6 IS,
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonio
    What's the consensus these days about raw mode?
    I don't see it as a big deal anymore. I think it was more of an issue when cameras tended to lose a lot of detail when doing the JPG compression. I read a review of the S80 where the reviewer said something like "I was prepared to criticize canon for getting rid of the Raw support on the S80, but the JPEG on this camera is so good I find myself not missing raw at all." That is not an exact quote, but I think it represents a general concensus. If raw is very important to a person they probably are going to be DLSR buyers anyways, not P&S.
    Canon S2 IS, Canon A510

  3. #23
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    Not even Canon USA seem to know is 9 point AiAF is on the S3 or not it would seem. I emailed them about it.

    "This is not a known specification for the S3 IS. For all published
    specifications, please visit the following link at:"

    http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...&modelid=13077
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    -200mm, 430EX Speedlite (Incoming)
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  4. #24
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    I have S1, am STILL waiting for worthy upgrade...

    oops.. double post.... see the one below.
    Last edited by pianoplayer88key; 03-02-2006 at 04:53 PM.

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    I have S1, am STILL waiting for worthy upgrade...

    I have a 1GB, 512MB, 256MB, 128MB, and 64MB CompactFlash memory cards, and really can't afford to buy the same in another format AND the S3 at the same time. (my budget for upgrading my S1 IS, INCLUDING all accessories (also ones that I have to replace because of incompatibility with the new camera, like memory cards if I go the S3 route), is $300-400. (I have $0 right now, but then my upgrade hasn't been announced yet. Oh, maybe it has, but it's most likely in the form of features on 3 or 4 different cameras.)
    So NO ONE's going to come out with an ultrazoom that uses CompactFlash anymore, that's of reasonable size? (if not, any suggestions for how I can get the different memory types without any noticeable $ out of pocket (as in I sell my CF cards (which are older no-frills standard types (Sandisk, SimpleTech, DaneElec, Lexar) and spend no more than 5-10% more than what I get for the cards to get the new (preferably high speed - at least 2.4-3.6MB/sec sustained write speed)?)

    Basically, what I'm looking for in my next camera is:
    a reasonably sized body with ultrazoom (the Panasonic TZ1 is a step in the right direction on that front)
    7-8MP, maybe 10 or 12MP. I don't know that I'll be making a lot of big prints, but I sure will be doing a lot of very heavy (2x-3x, maybe 4x) cropping, for 4x6 prints.
    F/1.4 at wide angle
    combination of ISO & aperture at the tele end of the lens to yield the equivalent of ISO 1600 (at full resolution) and F/4.0, or faster (examples include ISO 800 (but no lower) at F/2.8, ISO 3200 at F/5.6, or ISO 6400 at (HORRORS! would ANYONE go for THAT on a consumer superzoom cam? although I would, to get the combination of high ISO and fast lens at wide angle capability) F/8.0)
    About the size - I don't want it to protrude as much when turned off - preferably about 1/2 to 2/3 the thickness - as my S1 IS. It makes for a very noticeable bulge in my jeans pocket. What's meant by the folded optics on the Panny TZ1? or what about, rather than the single extending lens barrel that the S1 has, maybe like 4 or 5 telescoping lens barrels?
    higher ISOs available at a rating of approximately 1 stop for each halving of resolution (examples: 10mp @ ISO 3200, 5mp @ ISO 6400, 2.5mp @ iso 12500, 1.25mp @ iso 25000)
    resolution/telephoto equivalent similar to at least 10mp @ 450mm or 567mm (FOM, calculated by taking resolution and multiplying by the square of the focal length, would be approx 2.093x10^12 or 3.429x10^12, as opposed to 454x10^9 on my S1 IS.)

    Any chance that what I'm looking for might come out in late 2006, or around early 2007? I've been wanting to upgrade my S1 IS since early 2005 or late 2004, and am wondering how much longer I have to wait to get a long zoom, high ISO, 1-2 stops faster lens at wide angle, 1.3 stops faster or better at full zoom, 2-4 stops better high ISO, and a smaller body, for a similar price to my S1?

    Here's a few calculations I made:
    take 10mp sensor designed for ISO 3200, for example:
    would be approx 10.24x7.68mm sensor (similar to 6mp on 1/1.7" sensor that's in Fuji F30)
    a 567mm focal length translated would be approx 160mm. divided by 5 lens barrel extensions yields a compact size of about 32mm. (divided by 8 extensions yields 20mm).
    F/4.0 aperture at that focal length would be about 40mm, and F/5.6 would be about 28.2mm. Is it physically impossible to have the lens aperture be up to about 1/2 to 2/3 or even 3/4 the width of the physical external lens barrel body itself? what's the practical limit there, as well as the limit on focal length related to physical length?

    As far as getting extra ultra-telephoto (astrophotography, photo-sniping, etc) reach, I'd like to be able to attach TC's or whatever to the camera to get an equivalent of at least 4000-5000mm focal length sometimes.

    another VERY important thing is a MUCH BETTER codec for movie mode. at the BARE MINIMUM I'd like to be able to get 30 minutes at 640x480 30fps (high quality, not overly compressed) in 1GB.
    Last edited by pianoplayer88key; 03-02-2006 at 04:52 PM.

  6. #26
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    And here i was hoping you had disappeared. Stop the nonsense posts please, we did not like them 6 months ago and we most probably do not like them now.
    Canon EOS 350D, Tamron SP AF 90mm F/2.8 macro, Sigma 18-50mm F2.8 DC EX, Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L USM, Tokina AT-X124 Pro 12-24mm F4, Soligor 1.7x C/D4 DG Teleconvertor, Manfrotto 724B tripod, Canon Powershot S30

  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldrain
    ...and we most probably do not like them now.
    I would say most CERTAINLY!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianoplayer88key
    I have a 1GB, 512MB, 256MB, 128MB, and 64MB CompactFlash memory cards, and really can't afford to buy the same in another format AND the S3 at the same time. (my budget for upgrading my S1 IS, INCLUDING all accessories (also ones that I have to replace because of incompatibility with the new camera, like memory cards if I go the S3 route), is $300-400. (I have $0 right now, but then my upgrade hasn't been announced yet. Oh, maybe it has, but it's most likely in the form of features on 3 or 4 different cameras.)
    So NO ONE's going to come out with an ultrazoom that uses CompactFlash anymore, that's of reasonable size? (if not, any suggestions for how I can get the different memory types without any noticeable $ out of pocket (as in I sell my CF cards (which are older no-frills standard types (Sandisk, SimpleTech, DaneElec, Lexar) and spend no more than 5-10% more than what I get for the cards to get the new (preferably high speed - at least 2.4-3.6MB/sec sustained write speed)?)

    Basically, what I'm looking for in my next camera is:
    a reasonably sized body with ultrazoom (the Panasonic TZ1 is a step in the right direction on that front)
    7-8MP, maybe 10 or 12MP. I don't know that I'll be making a lot of big prints, but I sure will be doing a lot of very heavy (2x-3x, maybe 4x) cropping, for 4x6 prints.
    F/1.4 at wide angle
    combination of ISO & aperture at the tele end of the lens to yield the equivalent of ISO 1600 (at full resolution) and F/4.0, or faster (examples include ISO 800 (but no lower) at F/2.8, ISO 3200 at F/5.6, or ISO 6400 at (HORRORS! would ANYONE go for THAT on a consumer superzoom cam? although I would, to get the combination of high ISO and fast lens at wide angle capability) F/8.0)
    About the size - I don't want it to protrude as much when turned off - preferably about 1/2 to 2/3 the thickness - as my S1 IS. It makes for a very noticeable bulge in my jeans pocket. What's meant by the folded optics on the Panny TZ1? or what about, rather than the single extending lens barrel that the S1 has, maybe like 4 or 5 telescoping lens barrels?
    higher ISOs available at a rating of approximately 1 stop for each halving of resolution (examples: 10mp @ ISO 3200, 5mp @ ISO 6400, 2.5mp @ iso 12500, 1.25mp @ iso 25000)
    resolution/telephoto equivalent similar to at least 10mp @ 450mm or 567mm (FOM, calculated by taking resolution and multiplying by the square of the focal length, would be approx 2.093x10^12 or 3.429x10^12, as opposed to 454x10^9 on my S1 IS.)

    Any chance that what I'm looking for might come out in late 2006, or around early 2007? I've been wanting to upgrade my S1 IS since early 2005 or late 2004, and am wondering how much longer I have to wait to get a long zoom, high ISO, 1-2 stops faster lens at wide angle, 1.3 stops faster or better at full zoom, 2-4 stops better high ISO, and a smaller body, for a similar price to my S1?

    Here's a few calculations I made:
    take 10mp sensor designed for ISO 3200, for example:
    would be approx 10.24x7.68mm sensor (similar to 6mp on 1/1.7" sensor that's in Fuji F30)
    a 567mm focal length translated would be approx 160mm. divided by 5 lens barrel extensions yields a compact size of about 32mm. (divided by 8 extensions yields 20mm).
    F/4.0 aperture at that focal length would be about 40mm, and F/5.6 would be about 28.2mm. Is it physically impossible to have the lens aperture be up to about 1/2 to 2/3 or even 3/4 the width of the physical external lens barrel body itself? what's the practical limit there, as well as the limit on focal length related to physical length?

    As far as getting extra ultra-telephoto (astrophotography, photo-sniping, etc) reach, I'd like to be able to attach TC's or whatever to the camera to get an equivalent of at least 4000-5000mm focal length sometimes.

    another VERY important thing is a MUCH BETTER codec for movie mode. at the BARE MINIMUM I'd like to be able to get 30 minutes at 640x480 30fps (high quality, not overly compressed) in 1GB.
    And I would like to be able to eat ice cream through my space helmet while floating above the Earth...

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    Shall I send you some?? I can pick up the neapolitan flavor freeze dried stuff at NASA - I go buy there all the time, it isn't an imposition. I am sure you will like it - all the other astronauts rave over it!

    BTW, what brand of helmet do you have for your trips home?

    LOL ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim
    Shall I send you some?? I can pick up the neapolitan flavor freeze dried stuff at NASA - I go buy there all the time, it isn't an imposition. I am sure you will like it - all the other astronauts rave over it!

    BTW, what brand of helmet do you have for your trips home?

    LOL ...
    I got mine from the Rock People who live on the moon. The government is hiding the truth from you...

    Also in the yet-to-be-revealed-truth department...this just in from the Canon USA web site...for those who were wondering about 16:9 movie mode...here it be:

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    The PowerShot S3 IS includes a widescreen resolution option, producing images and film clips that are perfect for your widescreen TV or computer monitor.

    16:9 Widescreen

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    Here's the link: http://consumer.usa.canon.com/ir/con...13077&pageno=5


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