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  1. #1
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    Edit:

    Final decison: D200 + 50mm f/1.8 + 85 f/1.8 for $2100 AR. The D200 simply offers a lot of compelling advantages over the 20D despite the nearly two fold price difference ($1700 vs. $950 AR).

    - Rex914
    Last edited by Rex914; 12-16-2005 at 10:35 PM.

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    Congrats on the decision BUT...

    I think you should hold and try both before plunking down that kinda cash. And hold it first.

    Either way I can't wait to see your pics!
    Ouch.

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    The Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 EX DC is a cheaper alternative for the 17-55. It is about as sharp, and while at 18mm it has a little bit more barrel distortion, at 28 and 50 mm it has less pin cushion distortion than the Nikon. Slight colour cast though.

    As for the 12-24 f4... it is not like with a Tokina 12-24mm f4 and a Canon 10-22mm f3-5-4.5 you have no wide lenses of very good ability for the 20D.... The hyped up fredmiranda scores the 12-24 nikkor gets make it seem it is much better than those two, but take that with a grain of salt. I do not know why you say Canon has no direct equivalent to the 12-24 since they clearly do with the 10-22mm, it is equivalent in range and at least equivalent in performance. They do NOT have an equivalent for the 17-55.... you can not say the 16-35 is, it is just not... and the 17-40 outperforms that one. But have you ever thought of that you do not really need a focal range overlap?

    Basing a choice on the seemingly excellent features of the D200 I can understand, but basing it on these two lenses in particular to me seems a bit odd, since Canon with its EF-S 10-22mm f3.5-4.5 USM and EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM has a more attractive combo for less money than the 12-24 f4 and 17-55mm f2.8 Nikkor combo.
    Last edited by coldrain; 11-06-2005 at 01:03 AM.
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    took you long enough

    that's totally cool if you can close the price gap with the nikon lenses and end up with a better camera body. $1150 does seem quite steep for a DX lens, but maybe that's just because i don't feel digital only lenses are safe investments. it does look like you're rushing things a bit with an unreleased, untested camera, although you have waited long enough. sounds like you'll have fun with your d200
    Last edited by ReF; 11-06-2005 at 04:12 AM.
    canon 17-40 L, 70-200 f2.8 L, 400 f5.6 L, 50 f1.4 & f1.8, 1.4x TC, sigma 15 f2.8 fisheye, flash 500 DG Super, kenko extension tubes

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    You certainly don't need to justify this decision based on lens selection as there are a ton of lenses out there, including the manual group (AI and AI-S) for the D200.

    Even had you gone with the 20D I'm sure that you would have been happy with that decision as well, but this way you can stay well ahead of the curve, and have a camera that will meet the highest performance criteria and your expectations for a very long time to come. And the pro-DX lens selection, from Nikon and others, continues to grow as well.

    Gone are the days of slow response and feature/build limited digital SLR's in the sub-$2000 price range. Even the E-500, had it been released 2 years ago, would have been a best seller.

    The D200 is the first professional quality camera to reach this price/performance pinacle, as was the prosumer D70 before it (yes it was on the market 6 months before the 20D and a year before the XT).

    It would be hard for me to justify moving from the D70 to the D200 as the D70 does everything I need (and more). But I will eventually succumb to the temptation and accept the inevitable threat of divorce decree which follows.

    I'm looking forward to your commentary and results in the new year, knowing that it will drive me to the decision point sooner than I have the funds. But that's why credit cards were invented...
    D7000, D70, CP990, CP900, FE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldrain
    Basing a choice on the seemingly excellent features of the D200 I can understand, but basing it on these two lenses in particular to me seems a bit odd,
    I guess my commentary came off a bit unclear. I didn't base my whole decision the availibility of two lenses that I could possibly get. My point was that I didn't base my decision entirely on body alone which we all by now is a no-no.

    For now (this hasn't changed since the start), I'm starting with a 50mm prime (which constitutes the bulk of what I do). My second lens will fast telephoto. After that, if I see the need for anything else, I'll go from there.

    I will certainly try and get hold of one in stores if and when they receive it before ordering. The bottom line is: I'm dying to start taking food photos again. It's about time.
    Last edited by Rex914; 11-14-2005 at 12:29 AM.

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    congrats! I will wait to decide on my purchase until I actually shoot and hold the camera.
    If the viewfinder is as great as it is advertised and the focus is good, then I may spring for it.
    ISO performance appears to be great, but ISO 3200 images have yet to show themselves.
    US Navy--Hooyah!

    Nikon D700/D300|17-35 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8, Sigmalux, 80-200 f/2.8, 16 f/2.8 fisheye,

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    Thats the lens I shoot with. You won't be disappointed! The second I started using it (it was my 3rd (and most recent) purchase) over my 28-80f/3-5.6 not only could I go up in shutter speed (d'uh! It is a heck of a lot more open ), but my contrast/colour improved. It's an amazing lens, and checking your distance from your subject/the other way around is always a plus- you made a good choice!
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    I like this approach. Make a firm decision weeks before release date. That allows for pseudo-hindsight. I'll reserve my true congrads for when you actually get it, but well done on making a decision!

    I like to run with the crowds (use Windows, Photoshop for processing, at work I buy IBM servers, etc) as long as it's at least auguably among the best - my main reason for going Canon. However Nikon DSLR's has a fair crowd as well.

    There's nothing about the D200 I don't like, except possibly that Nikon seems more committed to the 1.5 crop format. I guess what's important is how you like it.

    Can't wait for all the wonderful images and reports, this camera (and Nikon) surely won't disappoint you!

    I am curious. How would you get a 20D for $950?
    Last edited by Vich; 11-06-2005 at 02:15 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vich
    I like this approach. Make a firm decision weeks before release date. That allows for pseudo-hindsight. I'll reserve my true congrads for when you actually get it, but well done on making a decision!

    I like to run with the crowds (use Windows, Photoshop for processing, at work I buy IBM servers, etc) as long as it's at least auguably among the best - my main reason for going Canon. However Nikon DSLR's has a fair crowd as well.

    There's nothing about the D200 I don't like, except possibly that Nikon seems more committed to the 1.5 crop format. I guess what's important is how you like it.

    Can't wait for all the wonderful images and reports, this camera (and Nikon) surely won't disappoint you!

    I am curious. How would you get a 20D for $950?

    950 probably is from the rebates and the incredibly fast drop in price.
    US Navy--Hooyah!

    Nikon D700/D300|17-35 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8, Sigmalux, 80-200 f/2.8, 16 f/2.8 fisheye,

    Lots of flashes and Honl gear.

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