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    Funny, the Google Ads on this thread are all...

    Funny, the Google Ads on this thread are all pointing to the recently-released Sony Alpha NEX cameras, which shows that you can engineer a full-frame sensor in a jeans-pocket body and photographers...
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    Graystar, you're right the "AM radio"...

    That’s a mischaracterization. The sensor size limits shallow DOF performance and has reduced resolution, but the image quality is still very good. There have been several S90 night shots posted at...
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    That was my whole point, that they make (or made)...

    That was my whole point, that they make (or made) full-frame 35mm that is jeans-pocket compact, so why shouldn't I ask for large sensor digital in the same size camera?

    I guess you might consider...
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    The point of the thread was that in terms of...

    The point of the thread was that in terms of large-sensor compact cameras, manufacturers have not caught up with their offerings in the days of film.

    As far as my camera requirements, I've been...
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    At the risk of boring anyone else still reading...

    At the risk of boring anyone else still reading this thread, I hate to leave things on such an acerbic note and accept part of the blame...

    Jekostas, setting aside the 1/1.7 vs 35mm film debate,...
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    Haha! I was waiting for you to weigh in jekostas....

    Haha! I was waiting for you to weigh in jekostas. You really are a jerk aren't you? What business is my financial situation to you? Why do you care if I don't buy an expensive camera? Actually please...
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    That's pretty much nail-on-the-head, Mark... I...

    That's pretty much nail-on-the-head, Mark... I guess that shows it can be done and is worth doing! Mouth-watering camera, though I can't justify that kind of money...
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    Not using equipment as an excuse, just saying...

    Not using equipment as an excuse, just saying that many photojournalists do not require equipment capable of making a nice enlargement. I would like to make nice enlargements. Fact.



    Part of...
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    Read more carefully. I said I'd take the mono...

    Read more carefully. I said I'd take the mono mp3. But I'd rather have the high def version. Nothing there says I'm not going to take the picture and nothing says I'm using equipment as an excuse....
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    No, please read more carefully.

    No, please read more carefully.
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    *sigh* you're probably right Paradox. But I can't...

    *sigh* you're probably right Paradox. But I can't help thinking that Motorola was thinking the same way when some engineer came up with the idea of a cell phone with a touch screen interface -- nah,...
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    Yeah, yeah I know about all these innovations....

    Yeah, yeah I know about all these innovations. But we still don't have a manufacturer gutsy enough or innovative enough to make a half or full-frame camera which fits in a jeans pocket. Not because...
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    Certainly true, a larger sensor requires a larger...

    Certainly true, a larger sensor requires a larger lens for the same speed. As a side effect you get a sharper image because individual microscopic lens imperfections have a smaller impact.

    Going...
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    I stand by the statement that 35mm film is better...

    I stand by the statement that 35mm film is better (at least in terms of uniform representation of fine detail) than 1/1.7" sensor technology regardless of processing. I think you'll find a lot of...
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    I honestly don't know what this has to do with...

    I honestly don't know what this has to do with the discussion. Obviously photographic skill is important. Choosing your lighting, composition, camera settings, etc. Certainly I've gotten some nice...
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    Yes jekostas, I got your point. Your point is...

    Yes jekostas, I got your point. Your point is that under all conditions you, jekostas, can get an equal quality image from a cell phone as from a DSLR. Congratulations.
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    So why do you assume otherwise? Man those...

    So why do you assume otherwise?



    Man those are lame suggestions which make me question your experience!

    Have you ever used the longer focal length in a digital point and shoot camera? You...
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    I don't know why I bother with you jekostas...

    I don't know why I bother with you jekostas because you seem to be taking this really personally...

    I did not say that sensor size is the biggest determinant of image quality. I said that it...
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    Yes we disagree here. There are at least two...

    Yes we disagree here. There are at least two reasons why a small sensor is to blame for poor image quality.

    (1) Noise and need for noise reduction. Canon already makes the camera you describe, the...
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    Hi David, I agree with all your points, including...

    Hi David, I agree with all your points, including that there is probably little market for a pocketable 4/3 camera unfortunately.

    I'm not sure what "blanket statements" I'm making though? My...
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    Case, it's a free country, I have my own...

    Case, it's a free country, I have my own definition of pocketable and my own needs. I don't shoot 1200 shots in a day and under most circumstances I don't want to carry a camera on a neck strap....
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    Eh? I never denigrated any of the large-sensor...

    Eh? I never denigrated any of the large-sensor "pocketable" cameras you mentioned. I'm sure they have excellent image quality!

    What I want is a camera that will go in a jeans pocket -- I don't...
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    Jekostas, I don't know why you're being so...

    Jekostas, I don't know why you're being so condescending. I'm just trying to discuss point and shoot digicam quality in hopes that manufacturers will move forward on a truly pocketable prosumer...
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    I don't think so. The reason there is software...

    I don't think so. The reason there is software processing in-camera on a 1/1.7" p&s is to gloss over the noise, and then to try to make up for it with sharpening. There is nothing inherently evil...
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    *So why don't they use 1/1.7" sensors on DSLRs?* ...

    *So why don't they use 1/1.7" sensors on DSLRs?*

    I assume the above image was taken with a P&S? Try printing it at 11" x 17" and then compare against a DSLR version. Use the same software and...
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