ATP or Sandisk???

[silvia33]

Which is it, the ATP 1GB 60x (or the 2GB, expensive) or the Sandisk 1GB Extreme III?

I am about to buy a canon s2 is and will need an SD card.

Any comments, please?

silvia

[HDvidGuy]

FYI
Just bought the S2 and the reg. Sandisc 1 gig card(purchased at Costco). Works perfectly, 2.4fps, in best video mode etc. No need to purchase HS cards. BTW: I confirmed with Canon Canada.
Up to this time I always bought the Ultra II CF cards for my A75. What a waste of money!

The only gain you will see is when using a card reader for our PC.

Enjoy your new camera!

[cvicisso]

FYI
Works perfectly, 2.4fps, in best video mode etc. No need to purchase HS cards....Up to this time I always bought the Ultra II CF cards for my A75. What a waste of money!

The only gain you will see is when using a card reader for our PC.Hmmm...

I'd be really careful about this. I don't actually HAVE my S2 yet :mad: , so I'm just going off of what I know already and what others have said, but... here's what Jeff said in his review (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_s2-review/):

"High speed memory cards are highly desirable, especially if you want to use the nice movie and continuous shooting features. I'd suggest a speed rating of at least 60X if you buy one of those ... The S2's continuous modes are excellent, though you'll need a high speed memory card to take full advantage of it."

I don't know about you, but Jeff is a pro, and I'm going to play it safe and get a high speed card for a few dollars more. Someone posted a link to a great place to search for cheap flash cards here (http://dealram.com/prices/30/1GB.html). That particular page is for 1GB cards, but you can choose to search for other sizes as well. The high speed cards only cost a few bucks more... and then you won't have to worry about it at all.

Just my $.02. :D

[silvia33]

Hmmm...

Jeff said in his review:

"High speed memory cards are highly desirable, especially if you want to use the nice movie and continuous shooting features. I'd suggest a speed rating of at least 60X if you buy one of those ... The S2's continuous modes are excellent, though you'll need a high speed memory card to take full advantage of it."

I don't know about you, but Jeff is a pro, and I'm going to play it safe and get a high speed card for a few dollars more.

Just my $.02. :D

I agree with you, thanks for the comments. I think I'll get the Sandisk extreme from B&H - good price for this card - and I might as well get the fastest out there... :)

silvia

[CameraNewbie]

FYI
No need to purchase HS cards. BTW: I confirmed with Canon Canada.
Up to this time I always bought the Ultra II CF cards for my A75. What a waste of money!





SERIOUS DOG? 100%? BECAUSE I JUST SOLD MY 256 CARD AND IN THE MARKET FOR A 1GIG! I DONT WANNA SPEND $ ON HIGH SPEED IF I DONT NEED IT. I WONT EVER USE SHUTTER MODE. BUT FOR VIDEOS WILL IT AFFECT PLAYBACK?

[CameraNewbie]

while were at it mates, is high speed really needed for my SD200?

[HDvidGuy]

Hmmm...

I'd be really careful about this. I don't actually HAVE my S2 yet :mad: , so I'm just going off of what I know already and what others have said, but... here's what Jeff said in his review (http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_s2-review/):

"High speed memory cards are highly desirable, especially if you want to use the nice movie and continuous shooting features. I'd suggest a speed rating of at least 60X if you buy one of those ... The S2's continuous modes are excellent, though you'll need a high speed memory card to take full advantage of it."

I don't know about you, but Jeff is a pro, and I'm going to play it safe and get a high speed card for a few dollars more. Someone posted a link to a great place to search for cheap flash cards here (http://dealram.com/prices/30/1GB.html). That particular page is for 1GB cards, but you can choose to search for other sizes as well. The high speed cards only cost a few bucks more... and then you won't have to worry about it at all.

Just my $.02. :D

I guess you missed my comment about confirming with Canon? I would believe they are the ultimate resource when it comes to their product.
BTW: I have filled the reg. 1 gig sandisk card a number of times with my S2, never showed any signs of waiting for writing to memory. I can hold the button down for continous HS pictures until the memory fills. I've taken full resolution pics while shooting a video.

By all means go aout and purchase a HS memory, I'm just informing the group you will not need it, period.

If your still on the fence, contact Canon directly.

Happy shooting!

[cvicisso]

I guess you missed my comment about confirming with Canon? Nope. I heard ya loud and clear. Did you read MY comments? :D I would believe they are the ultimate resource when it comes to their product.Ah yes... tech support. This reminds me of a recent experience I had with your 'experts' at Canon. This was about a month ago (before the S2 IS was released) and I asked the simple question "Will there be a waterproof enclosure available for the S2 IS - OR - will the waterproof enclosure for the S1 IS fit the S2?" Simple enough. Their reply was that 1) there is no waterproof housing available for the S2 IS yet (uhhhh... I knew that already), and 2) The S1 and S2 are very similar in size and therefore the waterproof enclosure for the S1 MIGHT fit the S2. Seriously! That was their answer. By the way, the S1 enclosure will definitely NOT fit the S2.

No - I prefer to rely on the experience of 'real' people who have and use the product(s) that I'm interested in - such as yourself. I appreciate your opinion, and I'm not trying to get in a flame-throwing contest here.

So - caveats out of the way - where do we stand? On the one hand, we have you: who claims pretty strongly that HS cards are not needed. On the other hand, we have Steve: who is the proprieter of this site and a professional, who claims that HS cards ARE needed. What kind of tests did you perform? Did you put the camera through the ringer like Steve does? Do you have an QUANTITATIVE data to back up your claim? Who would a jury believe in court? ;) Here's my point, so if you weren't paying attention before, listen up: what would you be sacrificing by 'playing it safe' and listening to Steve who recommends a high-speed card? How much is a 'low speed' 1 GB SD card (for example) compared to a 'high speed' one? I saw a Transcend 1 GB 80X card for $73. How much more is that than your 'low speed' good deal? A few bucks? To me (and this is just me), it's worth the few extra bucks to have peace of mind and KNOW that my card will be fast enough for my camera. That's all I'm saying (again). :D By all means go aout and purchase a HS memory, I'm just informing the group you will not need it, period.You see, not to beat a dead horse, but I saw a couple of other threads that showed the transfer rates required for capturing the 30 fps 640x480 video, and I'm pretty sure that it was right around the 60X mark. Are you absolutely CERTAIN that you're not dropping frames? Maybe you could post a sample video?

Thanks again for you input. Sorry you misunderstood my previous post - I hope this clears it up.

[cvicisso]

By all means go aout and purchase a HS memory, I'm just informing the group you will not need it, period.Two more professional reviews are out.

1. From Steve's Digicams (http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/s2is_pg6.html)

"If you plan to exploit the S2's movie mode, make sure to get a large and fast SD memory card." (In the 'Conclusions' section of the review - they used a 1 GB SanDisk Extreme-III SD card for their testing)

2. From DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons2is/page4.asp)

"The S2 IS has two continuous shooting modes (standard and high speed), both of which allow you to shoot pretty much indefinitely (we gave up waiting after about 70 shots) with a fast card." (On page 4 of review - they used a 512 MB SanDisk Ultra-II SD card)

Two more pros... two more recommendations for fast cards.

I'm just saying... :D

[HDvidGuy]

Two more professional reviews are out.

1. From Steve's Digicams (http://www.steves-digicams.com/2005_reviews/s2is_pg6.html)

"If you plan to exploit the S2's movie mode, make sure to get a large and fast SD memory card." (In the 'Conclusions' section of the review - they used a 1 GB SanDisk Extreme-III SD card for their testing)

2. From DPReview (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons2is/page4.asp)

"The S2 IS has two continuous shooting modes (standard and high speed), both of which allow you to shoot pretty much indefinitely (we gave up waiting after about 70 shots) with a fast card." (On page 4 of review - they used a 512 MB SanDisk Ultra-II SD card)

Two more pros... two more recommendations for fast cards.

I'm just saying... :D

Ok.
Did they test with a reg. card? What does Canon say? Do you have the S2 and tried yourself? I suggest you PM me.

[cvicisso]

Ok.
Did they test with a reg. card?Probably not. What does Canon say? I don't care what Canon says - did you read MY post?? Seriously - read my post (#8). Do you have the S2 and tried yourself? No. I mentioned this fact too. Seriously man - if you're not even going to read what I'm saying, than I'm not wasting anymore time replying. I suggest you PM me.What the hell is that supposed to mean? I suggest you read what I posted and PM ME if that doesn't answer your questions. I HAVE read YOUR posts.

Sorry for wasting every ELSE's time with this thread. I respect HDvidGuy's right to post his opinion that HS cards are not required for the S2 IS. I simply wanted to point out that a BUNCH of people (including three professional reviewers and counting) suggest using high speed cards to fully take advantage of the S2's awesome features.

I'm done. :cool:

[cvicisso]

Alright... it's been a few days and I haven't seen any PMs (or replies), so I was about to just let it go. But something in the bag of my head was pulling me back to this thread...

I did a little (very little) research to see what the normal transfer rate is for video being shot with the S2 (around 2000kbps or 2MB per second) and compared this to the speed of the SD cards in question.

The 'baseline' for SD card speed is 1X = 150kbps. Therefore, a 60X card can write at 9,000kbps (=150 X 60). That's [approximately] 9MB per second. That's a s%$tload. In fact, it's 4.5 times faster than the speed that the video is being captured by the S2.

Does this mean that HDVidGuy is RIGHT?? :eek: We really DON'T need high speed cards to capture video??? Don't get me wrong - I would have still liked to see some quantitative data (like mine), or some sample videos, or anything other than just some guy's word against that of many professional's, but...

I will gladly admit that I was wrong if this turns out to be true, but what does this say about the professional advice being thrown around out there?

Some technical-savvy person please clear this up for me... because now I'm losing faith in the system itself. I've got these old Pink Floyd lyrics in my head now "Wel-come... tooooo... the ma-chine..." :rolleyes: