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shreddoggie
03-24-2005, 07:36 PM
My local camera store guy told me that the D70 has replaced the D100 thus rendering the latter 'obsolete' yet I see many D100's for sale new at ~$300 more than the D70...

I've searched all over the place, mainly to find something definitive regarding the 6.1 mp sensor - is this the same in both cameras? The 'moire' issue mentioned often in D70 reviews doesn't seem to appear regarding the D100......yet the two seem to share so many specs.....

I am confused.
How are these cameras the same, and how do they differ?
Is there a compare/contrast resource for dslr buyers?

All advice appreciated

D70FAN
03-24-2005, 09:03 PM
My local camera store guy told me that the D70 has replaced the D100 thus rendering the latter 'obsolete' yet I see many D100's for sale new at ~$300 more than the D70...

I've searched all over the place, mainly to find something definitive regarding the 6.1 mp sensor - is this the same in both cameras? The 'moire' issue mentioned often in D70 reviews doesn't seem to appear regarding the D100......yet the two seem to share so many specs.....

I am confused.
How are these cameras the same, and how do they differ?
Is there a compare/contrast resource for dslr buyers?

All advice appreciated

Two different cameras sharing a similar sensor. The D100 is the first in the "low cost" dSLR genre. It is built to withstand the rigors of pro photography. The D70 is the faster upgraded replacement. Not quit as rugged, but with newer features and speed.

For those of us who have had the D70 since its introduction a year ago moire' is not even an afterthought. It happens once in a thousand shots and can be removed in post processing. The tradeoff is softer pictures.

If you want a camera you can beat the hell out of and still take pictures the D100 is your camera. If you want a camera that is fast and sharp the D70 is the pick, just don't beat the hell out of it (the same is true for most consumer dSLR's).

The D70 is a great consumer dSLR, and I would buy another one in a nanosecond.

Bullitt
03-24-2005, 11:22 PM
After trying out a Nikon N80 for a week I found I had no patience to wait for film development, I wanted to see my pictures Right Now!!! With the kind understanding from the camera store where I purchased the N80, I was able to return it and go digital, what a nice way to catch up to the ever-changing world. I purchased a Coolpix 8800 thinking it would be nice not having to change lenses all the time as it has a good zoom option. To make a long story shorter and being totally amateur with cameras, I could tell after a couple weeks that this wasnt the camera for me. Even though I never had the N80 long I remember it being a lot faster at everything compared to the CP8800. Still wanting digital performance, I ordered a D70 after reading review after review and hearing nothing but good about this camera. I hope it's as good as I read, I don't want to have to go on the hunt for a third camera and be stuck with two in the closet, one is bad enough. The D70 should be here tomorrow so I'm excited to try it out... :rolleyes:

D70FAN
03-25-2005, 05:31 AM
After trying out a Nikon N80 for a week I found I had no patience to wait for film development, I wanted to see my pictures Right Now!!! With the kind understanding from the camera store where I purchased the N80, I was able to return it and go digital, what a nice way to catch up to the ever-changing world. I purchased a Coolpix 8800 thinking it would be nice not having to change lenses all the time as it has a good zoom option. To make a long story shorter and being totally amateur with cameras, I could tell after a couple weeks that this wasnt the camera for me. Even though I never had the N80 long I remember it being a lot faster at everything compared to the CP8800. Still wanting digital performance, I ordered a D70 after reading review after review and hearing nothing but good about this camera. I hope it's as good as I read, I don't want to have to go on the hunt for a third camera and be stuck with two in the closet, one is bad enough. The D70 should be here tomorrow so I'm excited to try it out... :rolleyes:

Take the time to learn the camera. It doesn't take that long. Once you get used to changing everything on the fly, without using the menu, the camera will become pretty transparent. I spend most of the time in aperture priority mode, and shift to manual occasionally when I have more time to compose the shot.

If you liked the N65, and liked the convenience of the 8800. You're gonna love the D70.

Bullitt
03-25-2005, 08:21 AM
Thank you George, convenience and speed are important factors to me plus of course clean, crisp pictures... I am looking forward to receiving the D70 today. I ordered the kit with the 18-70mm lens and will eventually purchase another lens after I can sell my CP8800. I also purchased a UV filter and an extra battery as it seems digital cameras eat up power like nothing Ive ever seen before.

gary_hendricks
03-25-2005, 08:33 AM
Shreddoggie, you may want to check out this page (http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/NikonD70_samplesII.shtml) which has some good samples photos taken by the D70 and D100.

D70FAN
03-25-2005, 09:06 AM
Thank you George, convenience and speed are important factors to me plus of course clean, crisp pictures... I am looking forward to receiving the D70 today. I ordered the kit with the 18-70mm lens and will eventually purchase another lens after I can sell my CP8800. I also purchased a UV filter and an extra battery as it seems digital cameras eat up power like nothing Ive ever seen before.

Well...another area that you will be pleasantly surprised is battery life on dSLR's is probably as good as film SLR's, since the LCD is only used for menus and shot review. I generally get about 1200 shots per charge, and I leave the camera on most of the day when I'm shooting (and sometimes for several days by accident).

I use a Sigma 18-125 DC for day-to-day, and found that it was as good (or better than the 18-70 kit lens for about $270. I have a 50mm f1.8 that I use for shooting portraits and some landscapes, and a 70-300 that rarely gets used. I'm toying with the possibility of getting the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 to replace the 50mm f1.8. Better sharpness, and more versitile.

Keep us posted.

Ray Schnoor
03-25-2005, 10:23 AM
Well...another area that you will be pleasantly surprised is battery life on dSLR's is probably as good as film SLR's...

I agree! Since I got a D70 last May or so, I have never seen my battery indicator drop down 1 bar, even when I had my heaviest usage which was about 600 shots during a 1 week period. I probably recharge my battery every month or so just to be on the safe side. In total, I have probably recharged my battery 5 or 6 times since I got it last May. With my Coolpix 5400, I have probably recharged its battery at least 15-20 times during the same period.

Ray.

D70FAN
03-25-2005, 11:07 AM
I agree! Since I got a D70 last May or so, I have never seen my battery indicator drop down 1 bar, even when I had my heaviest usage which was about 600 shots during a 1 week period. I probably recharge my battery every month or so just to be on the safe side. In total, I have probably recharged my battery 5 or 6 times since I got it last May. With my Coolpix 5400, I have probably recharged its battery at least 15-20 times during the same period.

Ray.

Ray, You might want to mention this as a possible problem on the new thread on the Nikon dSLR board. ;) In fact Canon has decreased the size, weight, and capacity, of their battery in the XT, I'm sure that this change extended the XT's shooting time. DReb owners can't use their batteries on the XT so they have to buy new ones. I think Nikon missed this benefit too.

Seems we Nikon owners are neglecting our dSLR board, as we have nothing to complain about or wring our hands over. I have posted some potential firmware fixes to bring the D70 "up to" Canon standards. Maybe you can think of some as well. I'm tapped out. :)

Ray Schnoor
03-25-2005, 11:39 AM
Ray, You might want to mention this as a possible problem on the new thread on the Nikon dSLR board.

You're probably right. If they are going to make us pay more to have a battery charger included in the D70 package, I would personally like to use it more than 5 or 6 times a year.

Ray.

shreddoggie
03-25-2005, 01:36 PM
Shreddoggie, you may want to check out this page (http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/NikonD70_samplesII.shtml) which has some good samples photos taken by the D70 and D100.

Thanks so much gary - this is really useful.
after looking at these images I think I am getting a better grip on how the d70 relates to the d100. apparently the chip is different..
from this page:
http://www.digitalreview.ca/cams/NikonD70_intro.shtml
comes this: "New Nikon DX Format CCD imaging sensor features an improved signal to noise ratio and broader dynamic range that produces 3,008 x 2,000-pixel images"

after viwing the samples at gary's link, it looks like the ccd is in fact 'better' (to-my-eye). Regarding the other improvements in the d70 they seem to be software maturity and hardware acceleration. I would wager that we could get most of the features of the d70 on the d100 if we were running the d70 software on the d100 i.e more shooting modes, post processing modes, and (potential) moire. clearly nikon has updated their software. with this new ccd they've decided to be a little more agressive on sharpening probably because the new chip gives a bit better frequency response. the hardware maturity gives us the speed i.e continuous motor drive @ 3fps (faster throughput) at a lower price.
for anyone interested heres another comparison page which includes the eos digital rebel and 10d in addition the d70 and d100:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D70/D70A2.HTM

the more I research the more I am convinced that the d70 is the best choice for me.
My only CONS would be: plastic, usb (1.1 speed!) rather than firewire.
all digital slrs will continue to become cheaper and better and in the mean time an investment in nikon lenses is sound - better cheaper nikon bodys will continue to be released. The d70 is only $800.

D70FAN
03-25-2005, 03:19 PM
My only CONS would be: plastic, usb (1.1 speed!) rather than firewire.
all digital slrs will continue to become cheaper and better and in the mean time an investment in nikon lenses is sound - better cheaper nikon bodys will continue to be released. The d70 is only $800.

Is polycarbonate plastic really a CON? Do you actually use the on-camera USB interface?

I have owned the D70 since March 22 of last year. Neither of these factors has been a CON. Even if the camera was a magnesium frame and metal body it couldn't feel any stronger. I have never used the on-board USB cable.

shreddoggie
03-25-2005, 03:58 PM
Thanks George - I instinctively react to plastic as 'cheaper' although thats where my knee seems to go rather than my brain....

I would have a hard time arguing with it (polycarboante) if its lighter and stronger. I don't know. Someone reccomended the d100 if durability was a concern.

As far as usb goes, my application is often in a copy-stand or stop-mo kind of environment so the computer interface is important. I am a digital artist who needs a device rather than a photographer buying a camera if that distinction is useful...
I use many usb devices, but always choose firewire (given the choice) when data rate and/or density are considerations. I don't know yet how the usb (1.1speed) data rate will affect my work flow but FOR ME this seemingly minor thing IS important. I often shoot 100s of frames of animation in an ordinary day and I'd rather grab to disc with remote control, than swap memory cards out or move the camera during a setup (no touchie light or camera!)
Its only a 'con' (as opposed to the many 'pros' for this camera) because I prefer firewire.
heres an interesting thread on dslr's in this application from stopmotionanimation.com
http://www.stopmotionanimation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=10&topic_id=2426&mesg_id=2426&listing_type=search
according to this, another 'con' emerges, video out switches off when usb is plugged in. (yes I know everyone is saying what? - who cares? - yes it is important TO ME.)
Thanks for the continued attention and insight!

D70FAN
03-25-2005, 04:30 PM
Thanks George - I instinctively react to plastic as 'cheaper' although thats where my knee seems to go rather than my brain....

I would have a hard time arguing with it (polycarboante) if its lighter and stronger. I don't know. Someone reccomended the d100 if durability was a concern.

As far as usb goes, my application is often in a copy-stand or stop-mo kind of environment so the computer interface is important. I am a digital artist who needs a device rather than a photographer buying a camera if that distinction is useful...
I use many usb devices, but always choose firewire (given the choice) when data rate and/or density are considerations. I don't know yet how the usb (1.1speed) data rate will affect my work flow but FOR ME this seemingly minor thing IS important. I often shoot 100s of frames of animation in an ordinary day and I'd rather grab to disc with remote control, than swap memory cards out or move the camera during a setup (no touchie light or camera!)
Its only a 'con' (as opposed to the many 'pros' for this camera) because I prefer firewire.
heres an interesting thread on dslr's in this application from stopmotionanimation.com
http://www.stopmotionanimation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=10&topic_id=2426&mesg_id=2426&listing_type=search
according to this, another 'con' emerges, video out switches off when usb is plugged in. (yes I know everyone is saying what? - who cares? - yes it is important TO ME.)
Thanks for the continued attention and insight!

Thanks for the reply. You're right we never really consider these cameras being used for animation, and the USB1.1 speed might be important, since we are talking about a half frame per second transfer speed.

You definately have a unique set of circumstances. And with simultaneous output I'm not sure that any of the current dSLRs or any DC will meet this requirement.

Again, thanks for moving us outside the box.

shreddoggie
03-25-2005, 05:03 PM
Y'all have been so helpful - thanks again.

I've learned enough to know I want the D1X :)

I'd like to believe that a camera like that will be very reasonable 10 years from now and that their new DSLR's will be better and cheaper in ways we can't yet imagine and that my lenses will fit them all....:)

Like I said I'm not a photographer yet as a professional digital artist for the last 15 years I've dreamed of the day I could have a nikon f-mount lens in front of a 6.1 mp ccd plugged into photoshop! That day has come to the tune of an $800 Nikon! So I really do mean thanks everyone...its really helpful getting the benefit of all you guys knowledge on the subject.

Someday the feed will be live and the limit will be only the speed at which your disc can capture - how about 24fps live action at 3k from you nikon d-whatever directly to hard disc? It should work already at video resolution (your nice fast glass lens dslr ntsc composite video out -> mini DV camcorder firwire out -> pc or mac firewire port -> video software i.e. final cut imovie etc)

The studio applications of the live feed are very useful - thats why I care about that ntsc vs usb output thing: even an ntsc monitor of what the lens is seeing is great for lighting and frame-grabbing as well as a preview of what yer stuff might look like on TV.

I am thinking of the 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro-Nikkor as the 'studio' lens I want.
I will go look in the 'internet' for info on this lens but anyone here reading this please feel free to chime in...pretty much miniatures - i.e. flat and dimensional artwork and objects from fairly small (postage stamp?) to full body people... minmal distortion and grain.

D70FAN
03-26-2005, 11:13 AM
Y'all have been so helpful - thanks again.

I've learned enough to know I want the D1X :)

I'd like to believe that a camera like that will be very reasonable 10 years from now and that their new DSLR's will be better and cheaper in ways we can't yet imagine and that my lenses will fit them all....:)

Like I said I'm not a photographer yet as a professional digital artist for the last 15 years I've dreamed of the day I could have a nikon f-mount lens in front of a 6.1 mp ccd plugged into photoshop! That day has come to the tune of an $800 Nikon! So I really do mean thanks everyone...its really helpful getting the benefit of all you guys knowledge on the subject.

Someday the feed will be live and the limit will be only the speed at which your disc can capture - how about 24fps live action at 3k from you nikon d-whatever directly to hard disc? It should work already at video resolution (your nice fast glass lens dslr ntsc composite video out -> mini DV camcorder firwire out -> pc or mac firewire port -> video software i.e. final cut imovie etc)

The studio applications of the live feed are very useful - thats why I care about that ntsc vs usb output thing: even an ntsc monitor of what the lens is seeing is great for lighting and frame-grabbing as well as a preview of what yer stuff might look like on TV.

I am thinking of the 60mm f/2.8D AF Micro-Nikkor as the 'studio' lens I want.
I will go look in the 'internet' for info on this lens but anyone here reading this please feel free to chime in...pretty much miniatures - i.e. flat and dimensional artwork and objects from fairly small (postage stamp?) to full body people... minmal distortion and grain.

Well if you are going top want something, then why not go for the whole magilla, and fly with the D2X? The D1X is rather passe now. ;)

As a studio lens you might also want to consider the Tamron 28-75 f2.8 LD XR ($369) which would give you an outstanding lens with zoom, or for $140 less than the Nikkor (and rated a tiny bit higher) the Sigma AF 50mm f2.8 Macro EX.

I was really not that surprised to see the Sigma 50mm ahead of the pack, as both they and Tamron have really been on an improvment campaign for the past few years. Here is a handy reference:

http://www.photozone.de/2Equipment/easytxt.htm