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shoey
10-30-2009, 05:51 AM
It's here!!!

Just charging the battery. I've had a quick play with what little juice there was left though.

First impressions......IT ROCKS!

faisal
10-30-2009, 07:07 AM
Congrats....have fun!! :)

shoey
10-30-2009, 07:56 AM
Right then,

Battery full, empty memory card, 20mins of shooting so far.

First off, you all know i'm not a pro, i've never used a pro camera, i've only had experience using a 20D, a 40D and a 5Dmk1. So my thoughts are from basing comparisons on those cameras.

The upgrade from the 20D to the 40D for me was a nice evolution, but nothing dramatic, it didn't feel like a different camera, just a newer version of what i had already.

The 7D compared to the 40D is a whole different kettle of fish. The build, ergonomics, and features, to me, are just fantastic. Nothing like i have experienced before with the other 3 cameras.

The viewfinder, screen, handling, movie mode, are just amazing!

The other thing that stands out for me, is the colour. The SOOC shots from the 7D have such a better rendition than from the 40D.

Every new feature I've found, I've loved, except one.......the image quality.

Now, i'll have to wait till i get home and compare to shots from the 40D, but the RAW files seem extremely soft, with a lack of any real detail. I've only shot mRAW so far, and i only have LR3 beta on, so i'll reserve judgement till i'm at home with some more shots to look at.

I knew that the image quality wasn't the best thing about the 7D, and I did honestly buy it for the rest of the feature set, but it has still left me a little underwhelmed.

All in all, for the time being I'm still happy though, just need to do some more testing.


SOOC
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/Happy.jpg

shoey
10-30-2009, 01:49 PM
Right, I've spent a whole lot more time doing some shooting, and I'm soooooo loving this camera.

Well, I sooooooo want to love the camera, but unfortunatley Canon quality control strikes again!!!

I'm getting really bad banding in some circumstances, not what i've seen before. If it wasn't for this issue, the camera would be perfect.

I'll have to wait till monday to get another now, boooooo


There are 2 standout bands on this one. It happens an all ISOs too.

ISO 3200, but stupid banding crappyness
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091030_Flickr_01.jpg

faisal
10-30-2009, 02:32 PM
That sucks^^^^ Hope you get it replaced without an issue....

adam75south
10-30-2009, 02:56 PM
yea that looks like a faulty sensor. sorry man. i hope you get it back quick.

shoey
10-30-2009, 04:34 PM
Yeah it sucks!

I've gone through and compared my RAW 40D files to the 7D and they are the same softness, it was just me panicking. There's plenty of room for sharpening.

Here's a couple from my testing earlier today.

Both in lowlight at iso800

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091030_Flickr_01-2.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091030_Flickr_02.jpg

shoey
10-30-2009, 04:35 PM
Those have been processed by the way, and grain was added to the first :)

michaelb
10-31-2009, 10:18 AM
Congrats.

Keep in mind that there are several tests out there showing that mRAW yields poorer results than shooting in full sized RAW and then reducing the size in PP.

How's the VF compared to the 40D?

shoey
10-31-2009, 11:00 AM
Thanks Micheal.

Yeah, I discovered yesterday that I get much better image quality shooting full RAW and resizing them myself.

Still doesn't help that banding crap though! :(

The viewfinder is ace. It feels a lot more comfortable to look through and the display overlays are cool :)

Had a bit of a play with the video mode today, nothing special, only took 5 mins to do.
http://www.vimeo.com/7363614

Cheers!

dr4gon
10-31-2009, 11:07 AM
:\ 2 more minutes till it's converted lol

shoey
10-31-2009, 11:11 AM
Bah, stupid vimeo!!

Should be there in a min. :)


EDIT: Ok it's there now :)

BBPhoto
10-31-2009, 01:52 PM
Shoey - Appreciate the time you are taking to post examples and let up know how it is going. Can't wait to get mine....

dr4gon
10-31-2009, 02:59 PM
Very cool, makes me want to do a video.

nism
10-31-2009, 06:03 PM
hey cool video shoey!

Elisha
10-31-2009, 09:38 PM
I like your Video. What did you use to edit?
I have Vegas Pro 9 but am too lazy to learn how to use it.

Rooz
10-31-2009, 11:49 PM
video looked awesome. love that dslr dof.
the coffee on the other hand looked bloody awful :D

shoey
11-01-2009, 06:26 AM
Update on the new body.

I can't register a complaint until Monday, which means I won't get a replacement until Tuesday, Booooooooooooooo.

Anyway, undeterred, I'm continuing to explore the new features.

Tried some extreme low-light tracking last night with my rabbit running towards me in a dimly lit room.

Have to say, I was reasonably impressed. It wasn't a perfect hit rate, but It was a noticeable improvement over my 40D, and the 8fps is cool. I had the better success with spot AF.

Also had a play with wireless flash triggering.

What can you say, erm, it works! :)

There are quite a lot of options in the menu but once you get your head round it, it's simple enough.

One thing I never even realised, or read about, is that at Large apertures, close range, and/or high ISO's, there is a small trace of the pop-up flash visible in the photos. It's not noticeable when further away from subjects of using an aperture of say, f/4 and smaller, but when shooting this shot for Rooz, it was. :)

Here ya go Rooz, made it more fancy for ya, now I wasn't concentrating on filming whilst I made it:D

Wireless flash triggered e-ttl into A4 printer paper cam right.
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/Nespresso.jpg

BBPhoto
11-01-2009, 07:31 AM
Shoey, you really love the Nespresso! I like mine too. It doesn't give the same results as my old manual machine but the convenience factor can't be beat.

Regarding the flash showing up in certain photos which settings are you using? I have read that there are a few ways for the on board unit to trigger the remote. I'm curious as to how you are going about it. Thanks!

shoey
11-01-2009, 08:06 AM
Shoey, you really love the Nespresso! I like mine too. It doesn't give the same results as my old manual machine but the convenience factor can't be beat. I really do love the Nespresso! :D The coffee is very nice, and you just can't beat how quick and easy it is.


Regarding the flash showing up in certain photos which settings are you using? I have read that there are a few ways for the on board unit to trigger the remote. I'm curious as to how you are going about it. Thanks!I triggered the OCF(off camera flash) using wireless enable, but OCF only.

As far as I'm aware there are only 3 ways of triggering the OCF, all of which stand the chance of having the PUF(pop-up flash :D) show up in the photo.

You can have OCF only. OCF + PUF in a ratio. Or OCF + PUF equal.

Like i said, it all depends on distance from subject, ISO setting, and Aperture setting. But even when i does show up, it's only like a small fill-in flash

BBPhoto
11-01-2009, 08:25 AM
Cool. Can't wait to give it a try myself. Keep the examples coming. Interesting stuff. I'm drooling at the potential of macro photography using a regular flash unit off camera. The ring flashes are good but I often found that I got better results using a hot shoe unit w/diffuser depending on what I was shooting. I never liked the circular reflections of the ring units that I often got but of course with a hot shoe unit I was only able to shoot so close before I got shadowing from the lens. I tried the off-shoe cords but they break fairly easily. Glad you are having fun.

shoey
11-01-2009, 12:10 PM
Well, here's a macro shot for you.

RayFlash ring flash mounted on the 580exII on the hotshoe.

100mm macro, 1/250, f/4, ISO100
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/Watch.jpg

The photo quality of the 7D isn't leagues ahead of my 40D, but I knew this already. I knew the 7D wasn't going to make my photos better:D Only I can do that.

and here's one of the body shot with the 20D and 15mm fisheye
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/7D.jpg

GoneTomorrow
11-01-2009, 04:42 PM
shoey, you're making my wait unbearable (Tuesday if I can get home before the delivery guy). The video looks fantastic, never gave much thought to the video quality of the 7D, but now I will!

One question, what CF card(s) are you using?

faisal
11-01-2009, 11:25 PM
Everyone is getting a 7D!!! I don't know what I'm waiting for!! :|

Gopher
11-02-2009, 12:52 AM
Got mine last week. Did my kid's soccer game (http://newport.smugmug.com/Sports/Pink-Poodles/Oct-31-2009-Halloween-Another/IMG0163/699039908_Ea4nM-M.jpg) Saturday and man, that AF is just quick! Out of 100 shots probably no more than 5 were OOF (Full image here (http://newport.smugmug.com/Sports/Pink-Poodles/Oct-31-2009-Halloween-Another/IMG0163/699039908_Ea4nM-O.jpg)). At f4.5 200mm the DOF isn't that big so I'm happy. I crop the hell out of it and still sharp as a tack!

Did a little family event (kid's halloween party) and it performed like a champ there too! High ISO exceeds expectations, AF wonderful, and even the pop-up flash didn't leave much burn - at least no more than a hot-shoe one would.

Can't believe this is from a pop-up - and ISO 800 not too shabby either!
http://newport.smugmug.com/School/Eastbluff-Halloween-Party-Oct/IMG0067/698000890_vEkbg-M-1.jpg

Shoey; I agree, that viewfinder is something nice! As is so much else on this pup.

One thing. I was really surprised at the difference in rendering between Lightroom 3.0 and DPP. DPP seems much better. Sorry; no time for examples but check it out.

nism
11-02-2009, 04:08 AM
I don't know what I'm waiting for!! :|

i know what i'm waiting for

cash

hah

faisal
11-02-2009, 04:35 AM
I'm waiting for permission. The food chain strikes again!! ;)

shoey
11-02-2009, 06:37 AM
One question, what CF card(s) are you using?At the moment i've just stuck one of my old 4gb cards in. All of my CF cards are SanDisk Extreme III's (2x4gb + 2x2gb). Which are 30MB/s.

I ordered a new 8gb SanDisk Extreme UDMA, which is like the new version 5 or something.

It's one step down from the new Extreme Pro's.

Extreme Pro: 90MB/s
Extreme: 60MB/s (I just ordered one of these)
Extreme IV: 45MB/s
Extreme III: 30MB/s (my others are these)

shoey
11-02-2009, 06:39 AM
Well, rang about my sensor issues, the store says they have a new policy and won't send out a new camera until they have inspected the old one :(

I've got to wait until Thursday to get it back, PILE OF POO!

GoneTomorrow
11-02-2009, 12:50 PM
Well, rang about my sensor issues, the store says they have a new policy and won't send out a new camera until they have inspected the old one :(

I've got to wait until Thursday to get it back, PILE OF POO!

That sucks, if mine has issues I will be thoroughly teed. How fast did the buffer clear with your Extreme III CF cards? I have no budget for new CF cards at the moment, and just one 4GB Extreme IV. I'd like just to get a 16GB Extreme III for non-burst shooting, but I'd still like it to perform decently should the need arise.

Elisha
11-02-2009, 01:22 PM
I shoot mRAW and it almost never fills up with my 133x

Gopher
11-02-2009, 02:03 PM
I'm waiting for permission. The food chain strikes again!! ;)
I was nearly struck with glee when my wife agreed it's worth the investment in memories. That translated to keeping my EF 300 f4.0IS and EF-S 10-22. Got the new Canon Pro9000 MarkII printer to boot!



Well, rang about my sensor issues, the store says they have a new policy and won't send out a new camera until they have inspected the old one :(

I've got to wait until Thursday to get it back, PILE OF POO!
Does BH Photo still have a no questions 100% return policy?

michaelb
11-02-2009, 03:51 PM
As much as I like the images that come out of my 5d, that body is getting old and I'd really like a more responsive camera and better AF.

The 7d is tempting for sure. But then I see things like this and my brain gets all confused again...:(....

http://www.cameratown.com/reviews/canon7d/

Oh why, oh why did Canon stick with a 3 year old AF when they uprgraded the 5D?!!

shoey
11-02-2009, 06:17 PM
As much as I like the images that come out of my 5d, that body is getting old and I'd really like more fps and better AF.

The 7d is tempting for sure. But then I see things like this and my brain gets all confused again...:(....

http://www.cameratown.com/reviews/canon7d/

Oh why, oh why did Canon stick with a 3 year old AF when they uprgraded the 5D?!!I was waiting for the 7D, hoping it would be the 5DII with 7D features, but that will most likely be the 3D, and there is no way I am affording that thing!

The 7D stretched my budget massively, the 5DII was too much of a stretch to only get full-frame and no other benefits.

The image quality isn't perfect. It seems to hold up well or beat other crop cameras, and thats the price point I find myself in. It was either this or sell up and get a d300s. But the video isn't as good on the nikon and I like my 17-55 with IS for videoing :D

Those samples look quite bad! Comparisons I'd made didn't give up that much room to the 5D, thats why i got the 7D.

Personally, I've found that exposing right (and to the right :D) helps loads, plus the images clean up well and have loads of room for sharpening.

All of this is a moot point for me though. The 7D was the only camera I could afford that had the features I wanted from it. I'm not waiting for another camera release, and the only camera they'd release I could afford would be the 60D, if and when it comes. But there's no way that will have the feature set of the 7D.

GoneTomorrow
11-02-2009, 06:26 PM
I was waiting for the 7D, hoping it would be the 5DII with 7D features, but that will most likely be the 3D, and there is no way I am affording that thing!

The 7D stretched my budget massively, the 5DII was too much of a stretch to only get full-frame and no other benefits.

The image quality isn't perfect. It seems to hold up well or beat other crop cameras, and thats the price point I find myself in. It was either this or sell up and get a d300s. But the video isn't as good on the nikon and I like my 17-55 with IS for videoing :D

Those samples look quite bad! Comparisons I'd made didn't give up that much room to the 5D, thats why i got the 7D.

Personally, I've found that exposing right (and to the right :D) helps loads, plus the images clean up well and have loads of room for sharpening.

All of this is a moot point for me though. The 7D was the only camera I could afford that had the features I wanted from it. I'm not waiting for another camera release, and the only camera they'd release I could afford would be the 60D, if and when it comes. But there's no way that will have the feature set of the 7D.

Plus the 7D trounces the D300s at 1600 ISO and up. I guess everyone just expected too much from the 7D, which might have been Canon's fault. I mean it's more or less the same sized CMOS sensor with a pixel density twice what the 5DMKII has in a full frame sensor, so I never expected it to perform any better than what it does in the Cameratown review.

michaelb
11-02-2009, 06:59 PM
I was waiting for the 7D, hoping it would be the 5DII with 7D features, but that will most likely be the 3D, and there is no way I am affording that thing!

The 7D stretched my budget massively, the 5DII was too much of a stretch to only get full-frame and no other benefits.

The image quality isn't perfect. It seems to hold up well or beat other crop cameras, and thats the price point I find myself in. It was either this or sell up and get a d300s. But the video isn't as good on the nikon and I like my 17-55 with IS for videoing :D

Those samples look quite bad! Comparisons I'd made didn't give up that much room to the 5D, thats why i got the 7D.

Personally, I've found that exposing right (and to the right :D) helps loads, plus the images clean up well and have loads of room for sharpening.

All of this is a moot point for me though. The 7D was the only camera I could afford that had the features I wanted from it. I'm not waiting for another camera release, and the only camera they'd release I could afford would be the 60D, if and when it comes. But there's no way that will have the feature set of the 7D.

That more I look at those images in the link I posted the more they don't look right to me. The 7D shots look underexposed, perhaps that's the reason for the noise.

Here's a comparison which is much more favorable to the 7D....

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=774849


From most of what I've seen though the 7D really looks very nice and its quite tempting.

Canon might release a "3D" next year, but if they do I suspect it will be 3k plus and I just don't think I can justify spending that kind of money on a body.

I know many people are very happy with their 5dII's but I'm just amazed that Canon didn't make it a more responsive camera with better AF.



... I guess everyone just expected too much from the 7D, which might have been Canon's fault. I mean it's more or less the same sized CMOS sensor with a pixel density twice what the 5DMKII has in a full frame sensor, so I never expected it to perform any better than what it does in the Cameratown review.

Honestly, from everything I've seen I'm impressed with the 7D, especially considering the pixel density.

Check out these bird shots with the 7D....

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/821804/0?keyword=7d,shines#7616177

Elisha
11-02-2009, 08:19 PM
That Cameratown review is a joke. How can you test high ISO in an environment where it is not needed and claim it is not good?
If they were serious, they would have done it in a low light situation. I don't hesitate to shoot mine in ISO 3200 or 6400 at all. Even 12,800 is usable if you get the correct exposure and know how to post process.

shoey
11-03-2009, 02:27 AM
From Adam's high ISO thread, I don't think this is bad at all for iso3200

http://www.flickr.com/photos/39172687@N04/4066482424/sizes/o/

Nickcanada
11-03-2009, 05:46 AM
shoey, great stuff. That iso 3200 shot does look impressive considering it's 18MP.

GoneTomorrow
11-03-2009, 06:18 AM
I should have mine today - finally! :D

shoey
11-05-2009, 05:07 AM
Finally, after a week since I bought the original one, I have my 7D v2!!! :)

I've just checked it for high ISO issues, and also checked the video for mosaic noise.

All seems clear, thank god!

Only things left to do are check the image quality at low ISOs, then check the ghosting issue at fast fps, although the firmware is out for that now anyway.

SOOC RAW, ISO 6400, LR3 for output
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/7D_iso6400.jpg

adam75south
11-05-2009, 08:39 AM
ok that's more like it! glad you got a good one this time.

shoey
11-05-2009, 08:54 AM
ok that's more like it! glad you got a good one this time.Thanks Adam! I'm chuffed with this one. Even 12800 seems usable in extreme circumstances. It seems a bit sharper too. I must have just got a really crappy sensor in the last one.

I don't see much noise banding at any ISO (none that I mind anyway), the video seems to be mosaic pattern free, low ISO seems nice and clear.

All in all, I love this camera even more than I thought I would now:D

Love it, love it, love it!

faisal
11-05-2009, 10:33 AM
..................................show off!!! :(







Oh on a side note....I've started the campaigning for the 7D at home.... :)

Elisha
11-05-2009, 10:45 AM
So we have 4 7D owners in this forum currently?

adam75south
11-05-2009, 02:01 PM
what's funny is i had decided on getting one, then i got a 26" monitor instead. now i got a 17-55 i need to sell and no idea what to get with the money.

BBPhoto
11-05-2009, 06:33 PM
So we have 4 7D owners in this forum currently?

Technically speaking you can add me. My unit has been delivered but I'm only picking it up when I visit my friend in NYC next week. I guess that makes me an owner non-user for the moment.

Elisha
11-05-2009, 06:38 PM
Technically speaking you can add me. My unit has been delivered but I'm only picking it up when I visit my friend in NYC next week. I guess that makes me an owner non-user for the moment.

No way dude...you have to post at least one pic first!
:D
Not accepting any honorary members for this club!

01514
11-05-2009, 07:30 PM
what's funny is i had decided on getting one, then i got a 26" monitor instead. now i got a 17-55 i need to sell and no idea what to get with the money.

you can always donate to my 7D foundation LOL

BBPhoto
11-05-2009, 08:36 PM
No way dude...you have to post at least one pic first!
:D
Not accepting any honorary members for this club!

Ouch!! The pain of it all..... :D

shoey
11-06-2009, 01:41 AM
http://vimeo.com/7467723

More fun and games with video :)

shoey
11-06-2009, 03:10 AM
Stupidly, I read a post on POTN whilst I was updating my firmware to 1.1.0, that mentioned a noise coming from the sensor when it cleans.

Some people said they didn't notice it on 1.0.9, and some people said it's now worse. There were others that said it has always been there, even on their other cameras, and some that have never heard it.

So does anyone else hear it?

Hold the camera to your ear and turn it on. When it does the auto sensor clean, mine goes.. "click, squeak, click, squeak"

Thing is, I don't know if my 40D ever did it cos I never even thought about it until I read this thread, and I don't know if my 7D did it before the firmware update, or if the firmware made it worse.

I'm really just asking if everyone else has it and if its normal.

I really need to stop reading threads on the 7D that aren't photo releated :)

faisal
11-06-2009, 03:31 AM
Mine goes 'ta ta ta ta ta taaaa at' or something like that if I stick the camera next to my ear.

adam75south
11-06-2009, 10:27 AM
you can always donate to my 7D foundation LOL

i'll put that in my possibility box. ...right next to the 85L and my student loans.

GoneTomorrow
11-06-2009, 09:05 PM
Stupidly, I read a post on POTN whilst I was updating my firmware to 1.1.0, that mentioned a noise coming from the sensor when it cleans.

Some people said they didn't notice it on 1.0.9, and some people said it's now worse. There were others that said it has always been there, even on their other cameras, and some that have never heard it.

So does anyone else hear it?

Hold the camera to your ear and turn it on. When it does the auto sensor clean, mine goes.. "click, squeak, click, squeak"

Thing is, I don't know if my 40D ever did it cos I never even thought about it until I read this thread, and I don't know if my 7D did it before the firmware update, or if the firmware made it worse.

I'm really just asking if everyone else has it and if its normal.

I really need to stop reading threads on the 7D that aren't photo releated :)

I swear I can't hear anything from mine, totally silent.

faisal
11-07-2009, 02:32 AM
Does Lightroom 2.5 support 7D files....??

Elisha
11-07-2009, 07:02 AM
Does Lightroom 2.5 support 7D files....??

Only full sized RAW.
LR 3 Beta supports RAW, mRAW and sRAW.

shoey
11-07-2009, 07:44 AM
Had a bit more time to play today.

Did some tracking of birds in flight. The focus was great. Especially as I was shooting with the 85mm and they were tiny in shot. Had to do 50% crops to get anywhere close.

Anyway, still loving everything about the camera. I just wish it didn't have the squeak click thing on the sensor clean. I'm still wondering if I should get another?

Here are some pics

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091107_01.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091107_02.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091107_03.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/20091107_04.jpg

faisal
11-07-2009, 11:37 AM
So if I buy a 7D, I'll need either LR3 or CS4....plus a new computer....dammit!!

Good shots Shoey...those bird shots are really nice!!!

Elisha
11-07-2009, 11:51 AM
According to DPRs review of the 7D, they used ACR beta 5.6 for RAW conversion. Not sure how they got a hold of it since the latest beta is still 5.5 which does not work with 7D RAW files.

shoey
11-07-2009, 12:32 PM
So if I buy a 7D, I'll need either LR3 or CS4....plus a new computer....dammit!!

Good shots Shoey...those bird shots are really nice!!!
Thanks! Those were edited in lightroom 2.5 Faisal.

shoey
11-08-2009, 11:51 AM
Here's a sequence at 8fps!

With my new CF card i can do 15 Raw at 8fps then it does 2frame bursts at 4fps. Not bad!

Jpegs just keep going :)

First frame of the sequence is a little OOF as they took me by surprise, but the rest are pretty much bang on.

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/Track.jpg

GoneTomorrow
11-08-2009, 05:22 PM
So if I buy a 7D, I'll need either LR3 or CS4....plus a new computer....dammit!!

Good shots Shoey...those bird shots are really nice!!!

I'm using Elements 7 + ACR 5.5 and I can open RAW files no problem.

GoneTomorrow
11-09-2009, 06:20 AM
According to DPRs review of the 7D, they used ACR beta 5.6 for RAW conversion. Not sure how they got a hold of it since the latest beta is still 5.5 which does not work with 7D RAW files.

ACR 5.5 is no longer in beta, and has been released for a while actually (Sept. 14). It works just fine with my 7D RAW files in Elements 7.

http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=4580

I don't know where they got 5.6 beta, since I can't find it even at Adobe Labs.

Gintaras
11-12-2009, 03:35 AM
from what i read 7D sounds like best non-FF camera out there! class leading noise performance and resolution, plus it is very very fast and is priced attractively.

Gopher
11-13-2009, 11:48 AM
Just don't go saying that on the Nikon forum, LOL.

I'm super happy with it as a still camera and a serious upgrade from the 30D. Attractive price? Just give it 6 months.

On the negative: I'm not finding much use for the non-AF video. Others seem to but without a focusing screen narrow DOF in less than full lighting seems unrealistic for the unskilled. Isn't the Nikon AF during video?

GoneTomorrow
11-13-2009, 11:58 AM
Just don't go saying that on the Nikon forum, LOL.

I'm super happy with it as a still camera and a serious upgrade from the 30D. Attractive price? Just give it 6 months.

On the negative: I'm not finding much use for the non-AF video. Others seem to but without a focusing screen narrow DOF in less than full lighting seems unrealistic for the unskilled. Isn't the Nikon AF during video?

The 7D does AF during video recording, using the AF-ON button or a partial push of the shutter release.

shoey
11-13-2009, 01:32 PM
It does do AF, but it's a bit pants. To all intense purposes, it's a MF video function. The AF on all DSLR video modes, just isn't smooth enough to use.

Like Rooz has said many a time, it's still 1st generation AF video tech in the slr's so the best results come from MF.

I'm happy with that, as I want to be in control of what I am focussing on at all times. That's why a bought into Video in slr's now.

shoey
11-16-2009, 02:06 PM
Must be a running theme at the moment with derelict buildings :D

7D, 17-55mm f/2.8 IS (@2.8), Lightroom 2.5
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-1.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-2.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-3.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-4.jpg

BBPhoto
11-23-2009, 01:21 PM
OK, just to proclaim that I am finally an official member of the 7D club. Took my first quick snaps of the dog this afternoon just to check the IQ out and make sure the camera didn't have any issues. So far, so good. The 2nd shot is ISO 3200. I'm pretty happy so far.

Csae
11-23-2009, 02:11 PM
Just don't go saying that on the Nikon forum, LOL.

They'd be more then happy to point out that the 7D body borrows alot from the nikon designs.


Which im more then happy with, since i liked the nikon bodys better then canons, but love the canon glass in terms of price/selection/quality.

Either way between the 7D and the 5Dm2, canon folks sure are a happy bunch. Now if you'd just stop waving it in our faces, or accept to help foot the bills i'd be all ears.

Hard to decide between a 5Dm2 and a 7D. The gadget geek in me would go for the 7D with the fancy new buttons and 60fps video, the IQ purist side would go for the 5Dm2's better sensor/IQ/resolution/Wider angles.

viache
11-24-2009, 03:50 AM
it sounds software related Id check the canon site to see if there is an updated version of the canon software that supports vista better. Which you already did.

What you can do is go to the control panel, and click autoplay, and then change the default to a differnet program

faisal
12-01-2009, 07:41 AM
What to do first on getting a 7D...i.e to check for the most common faults

shoey
12-01-2009, 08:26 AM
Hey Faisal,

Here are the things I checked for:

1. Hi iso banding, especially in the shadows. (my first 7D was faulty but i don't think this is a common issue)
2. Low iso mosaic patterning on 1080p video. (i've never had this on either 2 of my 7d's but i saw it on a videographer blog)
3. High frame burst ghosting. (again, never had this, and firmware 1.1.0 should fix)
4. AF at large apertures. (mine struggles with the 85mm 1.8, but i've been told it's the lens not the camera)

All in all, out of all the issues floating around the internet, i've not had any fault with either of mine(expect a legitimate fault), and neither has my friend.

I think it's the case that those with issues are the minority, but shout the loudest. I'm not saying there aren't issues, just saying there are a lot of happy customers that aren't as vocal as those that may or may not have had issues.

Unless there is something very obviously wrong, I think you'll be fine .

faisal
12-01-2009, 08:45 AM
Will put it through its paces tonight and will keep an eye out for those issues....thanks!!!

Elisha
12-01-2009, 09:23 AM
Did you get one Faisal?
Also don't worry about not attaining 8fps in dim situations even if you have enough shutter speed for it.
It is because of the new metering system that continuously meters. If you AE lock on it, you will get 8fps in those situations.

adam75south
12-01-2009, 09:34 AM
Must be a running theme at the moment with derelict buildings :D

7D, 17-55mm f/2.8 IS (@2.8), Lightroom 2.5
http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-1.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-2.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-3.jpg

http://www.philshoebottom.co.uk/Photos/DCR/7D/derelict-4.jpg

i was debating whether or not to go to one in my town, guess i have to now.

Elisha
12-01-2009, 09:41 AM
i was debating whether or not to go to one in my town, guess i have to now.

I did a few as well....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/elishajesudason/sets/72157622799231594/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/elishajesudason/sets/72157622736942787/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/elishajesudason/sets/72157622865659568/

The thrill of trespassing is fun.

shoey
12-01-2009, 09:51 AM
Did you get one Faisal?
Also don't worry about not attaining 8fps in dim situations even if you have enough shutter speed for it.
It is because of the new metering system that continuously meters. If you AE lock on it, you will get 8fps in those situations.
I think if you turn off "Auto Lighting Optimizer" it jumps back to 8fps as well.

Elisha
12-01-2009, 09:52 AM
I think if you turn off "Auto Lighting Optimizer" it jumps back to 8fps as well.

Does it? I haven't tried that. So far I haven't needed the speed yet. Max frames I have shot at once is about 5.

adam75south
12-01-2009, 09:58 AM
ok i found a few from when i went there a couple months ago on a senior portrait shoot...but this building is really cool. i'll have to go back. i just hate to go there with my 5d II alone....and i hate to drag my friends there so they can wait on me.

the first is an abandoned building across the street from the old mill, the 50 ft tall woman shot you can see the mill, but the building behind it is what is so cool. you can see the flooded bottom floor in the last shot, but the whole building is like that, all concrete and a ton of graffiti everywhere(not really a fan of graffiti, but love the place).

shoey
12-01-2009, 09:59 AM
Does it? I haven't tried that. So far I haven't needed the speed yet. Max frames I have shot at once is about 5.
I hadn't needed to, as I'd shot all my bursts before in daylight, but I was trying to catch my rabbit running around the house under low-light, and noticed the slowdown. I turned off "auto light optimizer" and it was fine again.

I always shoot RAW anyway, so i'm not sure when I would need to turn this back on. Although, i have set up the custom settings to have it turned on for Video. As that doesn't have the range of RAW I find it nice to have on in movie mode. But the rest of the time it is off.

I also only have my ISO in full stop increments, as it produces better noise.

shoey
12-01-2009, 10:05 AM
ok i found a few from when i went there a couple months ago on a senior portrait shoot...but this building is really cool. i'll have to go back. i just hate to go there with my 5d II alone....and i hate to drag my friends there so they can wait on me.

the first is an abandoned building across the street from the old mill, the 50 ft tall woman shot you can see the mill, but the building behind it is what is so cool. you can see the flooded bottom floor in the last shot, but the whole building is like that, all concrete and a ton of graffiti everywhere(not really a fan of graffiti, but love the place).
Looks like a cool place Adam. I'd deffo want to snoop around, especially with some flashes, but i too would want someone to hold my hand :)

Elisha
12-01-2009, 10:19 AM
I have some Custom Creative Style files uploaded to the 3 custom slots just for Video. Found them on a 5D2 video site.

faisal
12-01-2009, 01:03 PM
Yep...just got one...body only ($2080 :( ). Reading the manual now and will set it up carefully as per my needs and then will put it through a proper test on Friday at a corporate event....

Elisha
12-01-2009, 01:26 PM
Don't feel bad man. I got my body only for $1,930 from a local shop by paying straight cash. If I had waited till this week, I could have gotten body+18-135mm lens for $2,349. I think the cheapest body only price right now here is $1,949.

FLiPMaRC
12-02-2009, 10:52 AM
Yep...just got one...body only ($2080 :( ). Reading the manual now and will set it up carefully as per my needs and then will put it through a proper test on Friday at a corporate event....

:eek: Nice! :cool: :D

faisal
12-02-2009, 12:54 PM
I still haven't taken a single shot with it....my internet is so messed up that I can't download the new firmware and I don't want to get too many clicks on it just in case everything is not okay with it and the local dealer refuses to replace it....argh!! Going to load the updated firmware in a a few minutes now....making my neighbour download it...this is soo annoying...

Elisha
12-02-2009, 01:15 PM
Did it come with 1.0.7 or 1.0.9?

faisal
12-02-2009, 01:22 PM
1.0.7....updating right now!!! At last!!!

EDIT: The salesman had told me it was a new stock and it was all updated....jerk!!!

Anyway update done and it's midnight right now over here....frustrating....but at least my cats are awake...time to go shoot some pictures... :D

faisal
12-02-2009, 02:28 PM
shoey...can you give me a link to that videographers blog....

fdexclpl
12-02-2009, 05:36 PM
I have some Custom Creative Style files uploaded to the 3 custom slots just for Video. Found them on a 5D2 video site.Do you have a link?

Elisha
12-02-2009, 05:42 PM
Looks like these are the latest 7D specific ones. I will have to update soon. I am using the 5D2 ones currently.

http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=7104&p=50063&hilit=creative+styles#p50063

fdexclpl
12-02-2009, 05:44 PM
Looks like these are the latest 7D specific ones. I will have to update soon. I am using the 5D2 ones currently.

http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=7104&p=50063&hilit=creative+styles#p50063
Thanks for the link. I may need it in the (near) future.

Elisha
12-02-2009, 05:49 PM
The ones I got are from this thread here: http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3401

The whole set can be downloaded from here: crnkovic.org/video/picture_styles.zip

faisal
12-03-2009, 01:37 AM
First proper shot from the 7D....Love the fact that I can zoom into their faces and see all the detail in it....
Toy Soldiers
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4154446899_10a9b4ac2d_o.jpg
200mm, 1/640, f4, ISO 200

shoey
12-03-2009, 03:41 AM
shoey...can you give me a link to that videographers blog....
Here ya go,

http://marvelsfilm.wordpress.com/2009/10/12/example-still-of-canon-7d-pattern-noise-in-my-videos/

faisal
12-03-2009, 05:57 AM
Thanks... :)

Viky
12-03-2009, 11:56 PM
First proper shot from the 7D....Love the fact that I can zoom into their faces and see all the detail in it....
Toy Soldiers
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2570/4154446899_10a9b4ac2d_o.jpg
200mm, 1/640, f4, ISO 200

Congrats on the 7D fais!

faisal
12-04-2009, 11:19 AM
Thanks Viky....

fdexclpl
12-04-2009, 08:11 PM
I guess this is the "I got a 7D thread" so I'll join in.
I received my new toy this afternoon but I was busy with work stuff. I just put the battery in the charger hoping that I would be able to get outside for a few shots before dark. No such luck. I gets dark before 5 so I guess an indoor shot will have to do for now.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2640/4159426978_00f3916eca_b.jpg

I'm very impressed. This is ISO-3200. I know there are lots of these high ISO shots floating around but until you actually see it for yourself...

faisal
12-05-2009, 12:12 AM
Welcome to the club....

How does it compare to the 50D??

fdexclpl
12-05-2009, 06:37 AM
I think the image quality is similar to the 50D, up to ISO-800. After that point it is miles better. The AF speed is much better but it's going to take a while to master the new AF system. I hope to try out my 70-200 this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

GoneTomorrow
12-05-2009, 08:54 AM
I think the image quality is similar to the 50D, up to ISO-800. After that point it is miles better. The AF speed is much better but it's going to take a while to master the new AF system. I hope to try out my 70-200 this weekend. I'll let you know how it goes.

It's a dream with the 70-200. And the different AF Servo settings (in the Cf menu) are incredible, there is one for nearly any situation.

Here's a recent one with the 50mm f/1.4 @f/2.8 ISO 400:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4141781417_ae0e1c6ce6_b.jpg

Gintaras
12-06-2009, 04:21 AM
happy owners of 7D congrats on your new toy. despite financial crisis it seems Santa arrived far earlier this year, is this because the reindeer was dismissed? tell us more, I might add 7D next spring, right now too cold and dull, not my photo season so little reason for rushing. so 7D gave way to brand new iMac in my case.

fdexclpl
12-06-2009, 05:13 AM
happy owners of 7D congrats on your new toy. despite financial crisis it seems Santa arrived far earlier this year, is this because the reindeer was dismissed? tell us more, I might add 7D next spring, right now too cold and dull, not my photo season so little reason for rushing. so 7D gave way to brand new iMac in my case.Santa came early because of Bing cashback.

Gintaras
12-06-2009, 06:56 AM
Fdex, I assume Santa sold his reindeer for something faster :p
In my case dull Xmas, iMac is all, crisis times so no new car (I hate driving anything 3 years older) and no fancy trips except business in Singapore in March. plus 30k spending on unlucky thing will empty my pocket for some months to come :mad::o

Elisha
12-06-2009, 09:09 AM
I'm trying hard to decide which to get, the Sigma 30mm or the 50mm both f1.4.
But it all depends on the left over money after Christmas shopping for the baby.

Csae
12-06-2009, 09:33 AM
Hehe, im trying to save up enough to switch from my mark1 to the mark2, when i have the money i'll be a shark on those used listings.

It'd be easy for me to just switch to a 7D, and lose practically no money, the better AF, the 60frames video for slowmos, i even like the body build more, but i can't seem to let go of the lowerlight/dof that i'd get from the mark2.

All in all, i think christmas will be very late for me.

faisal
12-06-2009, 10:15 AM
Just wondering if this happens to my fellow 7D owners...

1) does the LCD flash for a second when you open the CF door when the camera is switched off..?

2) the line between a half pressed shutter button and a fully pressed shutter button is very thin i.e end up taking a picture even when trying to half press the shutter button to pre-focus....

one more thing...

I popped in a memory card that had pictures from the 7D that I had used in the shop. This has made the file names of my camera change....any way I can go back to my original file names without resetting it completely...??

Elisha
12-06-2009, 02:30 PM
the shutter is supposed to be soft touch unlike to 50D and before so there is no distinctive feel at half press.
As for the file number, try loading the last file taken from the camera back in the card so it should continue on.

fdexclpl
12-06-2009, 08:08 PM
Just wondering if this happens to my fellow 7D owners...

1) does the LCD flash for a second when you open the CF door when the camera is switched off..? No

2) the line between a half pressed shutter button and a fully pressed shutter button is very thin i.e end up taking a picture even when trying to half press the shutter button to pre-focus.... I use the AF-ON button to focus but I tried it out and the shutter is very different from the 50D. The 7D has a different feel between the half and full press. The 50D has the same feel for both half and full.

michaelb
12-07-2009, 05:25 PM
I feel like the only one who's not getting a 7D. :(

Csae
12-07-2009, 07:09 PM
I feel like the only one who's not getting a 7D. :(

These forums are such awesome advertising im suprised jeff doesn't get a canon cut.

My finger started itching for a 7D about the time i heard about the new VF overlays, and seen these awesome pics.

60p made me itchy too, even though in all honesty i wouldn't use it much.

Not to mention so much cheaper then a markII...

shoey
12-08-2009, 03:42 AM
Faisal,

The CF card lcd flash has come up before on POTN, it's normal.

I can quite easily half-press my shutter button to get AF lock, without taking a photo though, so i'm not sure about that. The shutter button is definitely different, but I prefer it, and like i say, can still half-press it easily.


Micheal,

If you can hold out, and can afford it, i'd wait for a 7D with full frame:D

Seriously though, even now, i'm still torn between the 7D and the 5DII. It boils down to 2 things, price and fullframe.

Now the 7D is £1250 over here and the 5DII is £1750, there is no way I can justify the extra money to get the 5D, which only holds fullframe as an advantage over the 7D. Every single other feature i'd go for the 7D.

Even if a 3D, 5DIII, 7DII comes out with 7D features and a fullframe sensor, i'll never be able to afford it.

so that brings me nicely back to the 7D:D


Csae,

60p was a huge plus for me. The option to slow the footage down is awesome. It was definitely a feature that kept me from going to nikon. The 7D is my perfect camera at the moment. It might not be others, but that's their choice to pick the camera that suits them.

FLiPMaRC
12-08-2009, 08:40 AM
These forums are such awesome advertising im suprised jeff doesn't get a canon cut.I believe Jeff got pissed at Canon a few months ago and sold off all his Canon gear.

faisal
12-08-2009, 12:33 PM
The camera is brilliant. I shot an event in JPEG today morning cause I didn't feel like post processing RAW files and it did a fantastic job. I haven't shot JPEG for ages and it feels odd but nice at the same time... :D

Elisha
12-08-2009, 12:39 PM
Indoors or outdoors?

Csae
12-08-2009, 04:22 PM
I am curious as to which will hold its value better overtime, the 5D2 or the 7D, since there will definitely be another FF to overtake the 5D2 in a few.

They do complement each other nicely, extra video, extra reach, extra speed versus extra resolution, extra iq, extra brokeh.

Make no mistake i love my 5Dm1, but i would like to keep moving up and not get stuck with it. If i decide that working in photography is not for me, then it'd be very easy to keep it.

dr4gon
12-08-2009, 04:36 PM
The camera is brilliant. I shot an event in JPEG today morning cause I didn't feel like post processing RAW files and it did a fantastic job. I haven't shot JPEG for ages and it feels odd but nice at the same time... :D

I've come to notice the same thing! :D

Elisha
12-08-2009, 04:41 PM
Maybe I'll have to try JPEG sometime.

michaelb
12-09-2009, 10:57 AM
...

Micheal,

If you can hold out, and can afford it, i'd wait for a 7D with full frame:D

Seriously though, even now, i'm still torn between the 7D and the 5DII. It boils down to 2 things, price and fullframe.

Now the 7D is £1250 over here and the 5DII is £1750, there is no way I can justify the extra money to get the 5D, which only holds fullframe as an advantage over the 7D. Every single other feature i'd go for the 7D.

Even if a 3D, 5DIII, 7DII comes out with 7D features and a fullframe sensor, i'll never be able to afford it.

so that brings me nicely back to the 7D:D


Csae,

60p was a huge plus for me. The option to slow the footage down is awesome. It was definitely a feature that kept me from going to nikon. The 7D is my perfect camera at the moment. It might not be others, but that's their choice to pick the camera that suits them.


I am curious as to which will hold its value better overtime, the 5D2 or the 7D, since there will definitely be another FF to overtake the 5D2 in a few.

They do complement each other nicely, extra video, extra reach, extra speed versus extra resolution, extra iq, extra brokeh.

Make no mistake i love my 5Dm1, but i would like to keep moving up and not get stuck with it. If i decide that working in photography is not for me, then it'd be very easy to keep it.



Its a tough call. I'm thinking of "upgrading" the 5d, but I don't think I'll ever sell my 40d. The colors that I get out of the 40d are just fantastic; its actually my overall favorite camera of any I've used. The 5d has a bit better resolution, a nicer VF and it can do things that my 40d can't, but overall the 40d is still my favorite camera.
I was visiting family in Florida recently and I used the 40d as much as the 5d. My 40d paired with my 100 f/2 is perfect for candid portraits at a distance....


40d, 100 f/2 at f/2...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/732381799_jbdnv-XL.jpg

faisal
12-10-2009, 12:44 AM
Indoors or outdoors?

Indoors...It was a car launch and the lighting was good enough for ISO 200-400 shots though I was using the flash so was sticking to ISO100. Plus the wireless thing works great to shoot car interiors.... :D

Only issue is the WB which is a mess due to the lighting which LR can fix...

Here's the links to the shots http://www.drivearabia.com/news/2009/12/08/bentley-mulsanne-dubai-uae-gcc/ (ignore the WB issue but this was a quick edit)

Ed P
12-10-2009, 07:07 PM
Its a tough call. I'm thinking of "upgrading" the 5d, but I don't think I'll ever sell my 40d. The colors that I get out of the 40d are just fantastic; its actually my overall favorite camera of any I've used. The 5d has a bit better resolution, a nicer VF and it can do things that my 40d can't, but overall the 40d is still my favorite camera.
I was visiting family in Florida recently and I used the 40d as much as the 5d. My 40d paired with my 100 f/2 is perfect for candid portraits at a distance....


40d, 100 f/2 at f/2...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/732381799_jbdnv-XL.jpg

Great shot!

Exactly what lens did you use (model #)? Is it AF? IS?

FLiPMaRC
12-11-2009, 10:41 AM
Great shot!

Exactly what lens did you use (model #)? Is it AF? IS?

According to his post it's the EF 100mm f/2 - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12058-GREY/Canon_2518A003_Telephoto_EF_100mm_f_2_0.html

michaelb
12-11-2009, 11:59 AM
According to his post it's the EF 100mm f/2 - http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/12058-GREY/Canon_2518A003_Telephoto_EF_100mm_f_2_0.html

Exactly. Its sort of a sleeper lens because I think most people go with the 85 1.8 or the pricey 135 f/2 instead, but the 100 f/2 is 95% of the 135L optically; its a very nice compact lens with killer IQ.

Elisha
12-11-2009, 12:02 PM
Is it sharper than the 85mm f/1.8?
I've actually been looking at the 100mm f/2 cause it seems reasonable priced and would be a good outdoor lens.

Gopher
12-11-2009, 06:03 PM
The camera is brilliant. I shot an event in JPEG today morning cause I didn't feel like post processing RAW files and it did a fantastic job. I haven't shot JPEG for ages and it feels odd but nice at the same time... :D

I did a night of JPEG unintentionally, but SMALL JPEG. The morning-of on Thanksgiving I was sitting in a hammock playing with settings - did NOT realize I'd shut off RAW.

7D performed beautifully and the images will be perfectly fine for 4x6 but everything is a little too soft for larger prints. I was soo bummed - my nephew made an unannounced stop-over with his 2 year old (her birthday coincidentally) - first time seeing her in a year. Dooooh! If not for my 16GB card I would have noticed the shots-left count being 999. So; I didn't find out until PP time the next day.

Example shot. I wouldn't want it scrutinized but adequate for family 4x6 album. I'm beginning to like the extra detail a 25MB RAW would have offered. Note: This is 85mm x1.6, f2.5, no flash, ISO 1600, 1/125th SS from about 8 feet so DOF is too thin and lighting too dim to expect much better.
http://newport.smugmug.com/Family/Thanksgiving-2009-Peyton-Picks/IMG2084/726996820_SDrZd-M-1.jpg.

michaelb
12-11-2009, 06:11 PM
Is it sharper than the 85mm f/1.8?
I've actually been looking at the 100mm f/2 cause it seems reasonable priced and would be a good outdoor lens.

They are almost equals except for the FL and the f/1.8 vs f/2. The 100 f/2 supposedly has less CA. The 100 f/2 is very sharp and I never hesitate to use it at f/2.

100 f/2, f/2.5 on the 5d...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/573224000_T8R7m-XL.jpg


100 f/2, f/2, ISO 1600 on the 40d (hand-held at 1/80 ;))...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/732359103_qfcJ7-XL.jpg

Rooz
12-11-2009, 06:46 PM
Exactly. Its sort of a sleeper lens because I think most people go with the 85 1.8 or the pricey 135 f/2 instead, but the 100 f/2 is 95% of the 135L optically; its a very nice compact lens with killer IQ.

95% ? hmmm, i think thats a little generous bro. maybe 80%, although i get its hard to put a figure on it. the biggest difference though is the AF. the 135/2 is bullet-like fast so for moving stuff, (like elishas' soon-to-be-out-of-control-erratic toddler; personally, if you have the money, i'd go for the 135. its a superb piece of glass.

dr4gon
12-11-2009, 08:55 PM
95% ? hmmm, i think thats a little generous bro. maybe 80%, although i get its hard to put a figure on it. the biggest difference though is the AF. the 135/2 is bullet-like fast so for moving stuff, (like elishas' soon-to-be-out-of-control-erratic toddler; personally, if you have the money, i'd go for the 135. its a superb piece of glass.

What do you think of the 85mm F/1.2L II?

Csae
12-11-2009, 10:17 PM
Its hard to justify the 100 f/2 when you can get the 2.8 Macro.. L if you have the money and want IS. without the IS/L its pretty close in price.

Rooz
12-12-2009, 12:39 AM
What do you think of the 85mm F/1.2L II?

havent used it enuf to make any kind of objective comment cos none of my close canon buddies have that lens, if i recall correctly cw was on the fence with it. have maybe shot a dozen frames but that was a long time ago.

my fave canon primes are the 35L and 135L. if i ever move over to canon they would be the first 2 lens' i'd buy without a shadow of a doubt. #3 would be the 70-200/4L.

michaelb
12-12-2009, 07:53 PM
95% ? hmmm, i think thats a little generous bro. maybe 80%, although i get its hard to put a figure on it. the biggest difference though is the AF. the 135/2 is bullet-like fast so for moving stuff, (like elishas' soon-to-be-out-of-control-erratic toddler; personally, if you have the money, i'd go for the 135. its a superb piece of glass.

See for yourself.....

http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/85_100_135/bokeh/index.htm


I've never owned the 135L, but I've spoke with many who have owned both and I've never heard anyone claim much of a difference between the two optically.

With the L what you really get is the killer build, and I know what this would be like because its identical to my 200 f/2.8L, but a tad smaller. But with the better build comes a bigger and heavier lens. I often toy with the idea of upgrading to the 135L but whenever I look at my 100 f/2 images I have to stop myself and ask....why?



Taken today with the 100 f/2 at f/2.5 on the 5d ....
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/739206217_G8NXD-XL.jpg

Rooz
12-12-2009, 11:03 PM
See for yourself.....

http://www.wlcastleman.com/equip/reviews/85_100_135/bokeh/index.htm


I've never owned the 135L, but I've spoke with many who have owned both and I've never heard anyone claim much of a difference between the two optically.

With the L what you really get is the killer build, and I know what this would be like because its identical to my 200 f/2.8L, but a tad smaller. But with the better build comes a bigger and heavier lens. I often toy with the idea of upgrading to the 135L but whenever I look at my 100 f/2 images I have to stop myself and ask....why?



Taken today with the 100 f/2 at f/2.5 on the 5d ....


well, thats hardly a test of optical performance ! lol
anyway, just cos i think the 135L is a better lens, doesnt mean that the 100/2 is not. :) the other thing you forgot to mention is the AF speed difference cos thats immediately noticeable.

michaelb
12-13-2009, 07:00 PM
well, thats hardly a test of optical performance !....

Now come on Rooz - that's actually one of the best tests of optical performance that I've seen. It's using a fast prime in a test that many people will use it for - portraiture. You can see colors, sharpness and its a really nice background for testing bokeh. Honestly, in terms of optical performance of a fast prime in the way that its likely to be actually used I can't imagine a better test. And the AF of my 100 f/2 seems very close to my 200 f/2.8 and 70-200 f/4.

Gopher
12-14-2009, 02:04 PM
I had the 135L and AF speed wasn't it's strength. That's a lot of glass to move around. I just recall raising an eyebrow of annoyance often in low light situations - nothing scientific but I can't ever recall raising that eyebrow with the 85 f1.8. Granted; I don't have a 1Ds like CW.

I've heard the same complaint between 85L and 85 f1.8 non-L, that the L is slower to focus. The L is a high-end IQ lens, the 85 f1.8 is an indoor sports favorite that still has very nice IQ.

135L IQ = legendary, no question about it.

gotocin
12-16-2009, 01:29 AM
It's a dream with the 70-200. And the different AF Servo settings (in the Cf menu) are incredible, there is one for nearly any situation.

Here's a recent one with the 50mm f/1.4 @f/2.8 ISO 400:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2550/4141781417_ae0e1c6ce6_b.jpg

cute puppy

faisal
12-16-2009, 12:08 PM
Dubai Motor show 2009: M1
homage
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q121/faisal7/400D/IMG_2690.jpg

shot the whole auto show in Jpeg. Took 700 shots and sent them all to the client unedited!!!:D

Rooz
12-16-2009, 02:29 PM
WOW...the way this thread is going. i;m surprised the 7d even needs the photographer at all. by the sounds of things you just need to whsiper quietly into the VF then it just heads off whistling dixie on autopilot, takes the shots, uploads em and sends them to clients automatically....and all the while you're sitting at the bar knockin over a few coldies.

i gotta get me one of these !! :D lol

shoey
12-16-2009, 03:10 PM
Dubai Motor show 2009: M1
homage

shot the whole auto show in Jpeg. Took 700 shots and sent them all to the client unedited!!!:DNice shot Faisal. Glad you're liking the 7D.

GoneTomorrow
12-16-2009, 07:01 PM
cute puppy

Thanks, she's a rescue and very timid despite this shot.


WOW...the way this thread is going. i;m surprised the 7d even needs the photographer at all. by the sounds of things you just need to whsiper quietly into the VF then it just heads off whistling dixie on autopilot, takes the shots, uploads em and sends them to clients automatically....and all the while you're sitting at the bar knockin over a few coldies.

i gotta get me one of these !! :D lol

:rolleyes:

A few from a weekend trip to Chicago (Christkindl Markt), all hand held at 800 or 1600 ISO:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2665/4190702337_53aec5afaf_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2518/4190702757_7ecfe7744d_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2733/4190702729_22d21d9ab4_b.jpg

Self-portrait:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2701/4190702483_8e1f5e8db1_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2762/4190703383_ca9fc14862_b.jpg

faisal
12-16-2009, 11:11 PM
WOW...the way this thread is going. i;m surprised the 7d even needs the photographer at all. by the sounds of things you just need to whsiper quietly into the VF then it just heads off whistling dixie on autopilot, takes the shots, uploads em and sends them to clients automatically....and all the while you're sitting at the bar knockin over a few coldies.

i gotta get me one of these !! :D lol

:rolleyes:

I'm just personally blown away by it when comparing it with the 400D and the 50D.....so just sharing it with the other 7D shooters....

michaelb
12-18-2009, 08:29 PM
:rolleyes:

I'm just personally blown away by it when comparing it with the 400D and the 50D.....so just sharing it with the other 7D shooters....

Glad your enjoying it faisal. You deserve it; your doing some amazing work nowadays.

faisal
12-19-2009, 12:24 AM
Thanks shoey and michael....I just need some better glass now and then I'll be set!! :)

Csae
12-19-2009, 07:42 AM
and then I'll be set!! :)


Who exactly are you kidding here ? :rolleyes:

Elisha
12-19-2009, 07:52 AM
You're doing an awesome job with the ones you already have!

faisal
12-19-2009, 08:24 AM
Who exactly are you kidding here ? :rolleyes:

I didn't get you.... :confused:

Csae
12-19-2009, 12:06 PM
i just need better glass and i'll be set.

You'll buy more stuff, it won't end!

It'll never end!

faisal
12-19-2009, 12:22 PM
You'll buy more stuff, it won't end!

It'll never end!

Ahh...that way!! I know what you mean but currently I want to get rid of some of my stuff and get some other stuff that I feel I require which should keep me happy for some time... :)