Canon 2000d

[cpaussie]

I happened to stumble on this by accident while looking for a flash from an online retailer.

https://www.camerasdirect.com.au/index.php/camera-body-pricing/todays-news/coming-soon-canon-eos-2000d.html

It is a new dslr replacing the 1000d What do you think of it?

[faisal]

Looks more like a wish list cause the 1000D was an entry level camera aka D40/D60 competitor. If they launch this, it'll become a D5000 competitor which already exists in the form of the 500D. Plus the pricing will need to be really tricky so I doubt it's the real deal.

[cpaussie]

I agree with you about it competing with the Nikon d5000,
Why would an online store advertise something that not might happen?
It will be interesting to see what happens soon, if it is wishful thinking or a real fact. :)

[faisal]

If it is the real deal than I'll be happy cause they will need to upgrade the 50D very soon which is something I'm waiting for...

[Rooz]

is the 50d even a year old ?

[faisal]

The 50D was released last year in August but many people feel the 50D needs to be updated soon especially after the release of the 500D. Rumors for a long time are going around that a 60D might be released in August along with the possible release of the 1d Mark IV....

[Csae]

Doesn't canon have fixed update schedules ?

The three (or 4, since the 5d is technically in its own little world) levels they offer are all updated at a different yearly rate.

Right now, the 1D(s) are the ones coming up next, especially after the 5dm2 came out.

[Gintaras]

i think Canon lost this round to Nikon so many users feel betrayed. Actually I personally find XSi line and 5DIIMark to be the only worth models. While Nikon managed to pull stunning D700 at affordable price, excellent D90, now hit the market with D500 and the list goes long enough. I wonder when Canon will wake up?

Honestly speaking except 5DII I find no other reason for upgrading because my XTi does everything perfect while I do not care for larger LCD and Live view. Meter would be nice but paying huge premium does not merit the case.

[faisal]

Csae...canon usually has a 18month cycle for there consumer DSLR cameras...

[Nickcanada]

Csae...canon usually has a 18month cycle for there consumer DSLR cameras...

So wouldn't you expect a 50D replacement in another 10 months?? The 50D is a fine camera I don't think they'll rush a new model out. There seems to be plenty of people buying them.

[faisal]

Yes it would. January/February is the likely date of release. But rumors is an August release might happen.

The 50D is a good camera, no doubt about it. But many people feel the 50D needs an update to match up to th competitors and the fact the 500D is almost identical to it while being priced much cheaper. Also there are few people like me that are kinda disappointed with the 50D.

[cdifoto]

Anyone who thinks a 500D is almost identical to a 50D is deluded and doesn't think beyond specs.

[faisal]

They are identical in many ways with the same sensor, pixel density, same number of AF points, same LCD and ISO options etc but you get the extra features like SRaw, better fps, brighter/bigger viewfinder, better focusing etc which does make the 50D the better camera overall. But then the 500D has slightly better IQ especially at high ISO which to me is a big problem with the 50D.

[Csae]

What i meant is that canon generally follows a cycle:

(Numbers are meant as examples.)

1d -1ds series : upgrade every 4 years
5d : upgrade every 3 years
xxd : upgrade every 2
xxxd: upgrade every year

There will always be people who will be dissapointed, etc. People that used the 40D extensively, will either find a reason to upgrade or wait t'ill the next cycle.

[24Peter]

Well the 40D > 50D was less than 12 mos. if I recall. So "cycles" aren't written in ink, eh, pen, I mean stone.

[Viky]

Anyone who thinks a 500D is almost identical to a 50D is deluded and doesn't think beyond specs.

I had a really tough time trying to convince a friend who thought that canon were charging a hefty premium on the 50D and that the 500D was the newer and more advanced of the two at a much lower price:p

[Rooz]

I had a really tough time trying to convince a friend who thought that canon were charging a hefty premium on the 50D and that the 500D was the newer and more advanced of the two at a much lower price:p

that same discussion was had with the xti and 30d not too long ago. people that argue that sort of stuff are the ones that look purely at a spec sheet and nothing else. idiots.

[Gintaras]

Rooz, you are rude dude.

Nick, I do not know how Canon sells but I notice more and more people with Nikons around their necks. I think Nikon's D90 is just excellent and has competitive edge and is well priced. if I would have to chose a new mid range DSLR I would go with D90 or D300 instead of 50D... then D300 for more serious people beats 50D and excellent D700 challenges 5DII in every aspect except for resolution and movie mode. Whilst some suckers love movie mode on DSLR I do not care about it at all and would easily forget about HD movie on 5DII if other specs blow this out.

Where Canon stands out is the choice of glass for full frame plus more competitive prices on glass. I cannot grasp why good Nikon glass must cost much more. I have not seen any proof that Nikon glass is superior to Canon's except for a few samples like 14-24/2.8

So I am still hesitant because I want D700 but when I check available glass my brain begins to think about 5DIIMark.

As concerns 500D or 2000D I do not expect anything breathtaking ... BUT BUT BUT, I read Pentax pulled a new camera which may help boost dynamic range in camera while recording, which I am curious to see. May be we soon can get cameras which will do HDR for us without the need of layers and heavy PP??? So I rather wait for big breakthrough or pick FF model. Otherwise my 400D does perfectly all I want.

[faisal]

The 500D is in no way more advanced than the 50D, the 50D has so many features that are way better than the 500D. The only place it outshines is IQ which is said to be better. I personally would like to see what Jeff's review will say...

[Rooz]

Rooz, you are rude dude.

no shit ? lol :p

D700 challenges 5DII in every aspect except for resolution and movie mode. Whilst some suckers love movie mode on DSLR I do not care about it at all and would easily forget about HD movie on 5DII if other specs blow this out.

the d700 and the mkII are different cameras. the only things that are simialr are the fact that they are full frame and the price. otherwise, they are very different tools. for anyone who shoots under iso400 most of the time then the IQ from the MkII is unparalleled.

Where Canon stands out is the choice of glass for full frame plus more competitive prices on glass. I cannot grasp why good Nikon glass must cost much more. I have not seen any proof that Nikon glass is superior to Canon's except for a few samples like 14-24/2.8

definately they stand out for FX glass. this is a hole nikon need to fix. there are certianly some nikon lens' that are better than canon's. here are some that i know off the top of my head: 14-24/2.8, 24-70/2.8, 50/1.4G, 35/2D, 200/2VR, 300/2.8VR, 300/4.

but none of this justifies the additional cost nikon put on their glass, i think thats just that premium nikon put on their products for reasons known only to them. nor does it justify nikon not having equivalents to some of the best glass around like the 70-200/4, 35/1.4. then threres the fact that canons 300/4 and 17-55/2.8 have IS and their 85/1.8 makes the nikkor equivalent feel like somethign from the 1920's. its a freakin joke actually.

BUT BUT BUT, I read Pentax pulled a new camera which may help boost dynamic range in camera while recording, which I am curious to see. May be we soon can get cameras which will do HDR for us without the need of layers and heavy PP???

thats not an increase in DR, thats just in cam processing and imo, a load of rubbish.

[cpaussie]

Hey Rooz, contrats on your new camera, you're so lucky! That is the camera I was saving for until I decided it would take me to long to save. (I originally wanted the d300).
I see you added the Nikon 50mm lens as better than the Canon's. :p
Maybe I should have gone Nikon, as 50 mm is my favorite focal length. :)

[Rooz]

canons 50/1.4 sucks in comparison. but of course...just like at 85mm they offer trump nikon by offering a stunning 1.2 version.

[Gintaras]

Rooz dude, no sh*t :~)

and holy sh*t i did not notice you got a new camera.... tell HOW this D700 compares. this is exactly the camera I may be planning to buy. and do not forget to post images on Nikon thread, esp low light and indoors.

[Gintaras]

Rooz, checked your Flickr, nice shot of the church, I see this is Orthodox, are you an Orthodox? :~)

[Rooz]

yes. i am greek orthodox, my wife is russian orthodox. :)

[Gintaras]

wow Rooz, what a mixture :~)