portrait LR vs DPP comparison.

[Nickcanada]

So I've noticed that sometimes there is quite a difference in output from DPP and LR for portraits. Here is what I mean.

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/testing/IMG_0950-DPP.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k162/nickandaline/testing/IMG_0950.jpg

Top is DPP set to a white balance of 6500K and the bottom is the same only through LR. Both are set to sRGB and I do notice the difference when viewing the files in their respective programs. I love LR for a lot of things but it just doesn't have as nice an output as DPP! Am I the only one who has noticed this? or maybe I need to adjust LR in someway? comments or suggestions welcome!

[faisal]

What about the Tint option?? If I remember right, DPP does not have one...I haven't used the latest one though so I might be wrong.

Also when I load lightroom, it tends to apply a basic setting to the image. I still haven't bothered looking at what it does to my image but there is always a certain difference in the way my images look in lightroom and photoshop.

Regarding the difference in your images...the difference is huge. I can't do a comparison myself cause DPP does not seem to work on my netbook(even with a external screen connected)...

[Mark_48]

I went through some issues with differences between DPP, LR, and PS a while ago and still am not sure if I have it sorted out. I think it may have to do somewhat with the colorspace used by the program when bringing in a JPG file. DPP allows you to select 3 options - sRGB, OS Settings, and Monitor Profile and there are small differences in the rendering. With DPP I'm using the monitor profile which is calibrated with a Pantone Huey and this seems to have the best onscreen rendering for JPG's straight from the camera. On convert and save with DPP you can chose not to embed the ICC profile and the resulting image will differ slightly. LR is fixed to Adobe ProPhoto and allows you 3 options on export. LR also can use a camera calibration which I haven't yet attempted.

Are you working with JPG's and have you paid attention to colorspace when working on and exporting or saving the images? Maybe this might be something to look at.

[michaelb]

I noticed the same thing a long time ago Nick and I've posted some comparisons here basically showing the same thing.

I now use DPP for RAW conversions and use LR for further editing (if needed) on the jpeg or TIFF.

I actually use LR less now that DPP has the shadow/highlight ability as well as vignetting correction.


DPP...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/428606649_KD4K7-M.jpg

LR...
http://brownphotography.smugmug.com/photos/427823781_SWFAX-M.jpg

[Csae]

Theres a set of Canon Standard Filters (Portrait/Landscape/Neutral/etc) for LR i grabbed a while ago having the same problem, i havent had a chance to test them since i mostly end up processing my raws in DPP and doing other edits in LR after.

Unfortunetly LR2 still seems the best option for my Contact sheets at the moment, as i can grab my raws and organize them neatly on a contact sheet, with ease.

LR2 Does have WB, and tint settings, i find its easier to correct WB in LR2, then in DPP, but DPP has the whole circular thing which is alot more powerful.

I mostly use LR2 for starting special effects, like Sepia, or Antique, i'll then finish them off in PS.

So at the moment my workflow is Camera -> Dpp -> LR/PS -> PS -> Print (Execpt for contact sheets) Its a longer process then some are used to, but its quicker then a darkroom and im not a wedding photographer i can easily work on the same picture for a week or two.

[Rooz]

that bottom WB looks bloody terrible. top one looks spot on, whatever dpp is.

[adam75south]

i looooooove me some lightroom. i have no problems with the white balance though, i don't really care if it's right on or not as long as it looks close. if it's something i think might be tough i'll use whibal before. even then i usually warm them up just a little bit from what whibal gives me. now if you were having trouble with what lightroom SHOWS you and what it outputs then that would be a problem.

[cdifoto]

Do you have the ACR profiles loaded into Lightroom? For most people, including myself, it makes DPP and LR pretty much identical in base output.

[JMWallace]

Hey Nick - are you pulling in a .jpg or RAW file?

LR's native colorspace is ProPhoto. I import my RAW files into LR keeping the ProPhoto setting. Then export a TIFF file to PS still in ProPhoto for final editing then convert them to sRGB .jpgs for upload and presentment.

I have to admit that I haven't used DPP in a long time so I can't speak to noticing any difference. But havn't had any issues with LR and just use the Canon Standard setting for Camera Calibration.

[Nickcanada]

Do you have the ACR profiles loaded into Lightroom? For most people, including myself, it makes DPP and LR pretty much identical in base output.
No I don't. I'll have to look into up dating that!

[Nickcanada]

Hey Nick - are you pulling in a .jpg or RAW file?

LR's native colorspace is ProPhoto. I import my RAW files into LR keeping the ProPhoto setting. Then export a TIFF file to PS still in ProPhoto for final editing then convert them to sRGB .jpgs for upload and presentment.

I have to admit that I haven't used DPP in a long time so I can't speak to noticing any difference. But havn't had any issues with LR and just use the Canon Standard setting for Camera Calibration.


Where is this camera calibration option?? I'm using RAW files. If I convert with DPP and then import to LR they look fine.

[Nickcanada]

that bottom WB looks bloody terrible. top one looks spot on, whatever dpp is.

DPP is canon's image editing software that comes with the camera.

[cdifoto]

I strongly suggest installing the ACR camera profiles immediately. If you download the Lightroom 2.3 update I believe they're included.

[FLiPMaRC]

I strongly suggest installing the ACR camera profiles immediately. If you download the Lightroom 2.3 update I believe they're included.

I agree. I bet that's why you have such a big difference in output between DPP and LR.


I use "Camera Standard" as my default.

[michaelb]

I strongly suggest installing the ACR camera profiles immediately. If you download the Lightroom 2.3 update I believe they're included.

I use the Canon profiles in LR, but the DPP output is still better. Its more work, but its better.

[Rooz]

I use the Canon profiles in LR, but the DPP output is still better. Its more work, but its better.

thats pretty much consistent with nikon software vs "the others". mroe fowrk, nowhere near as good interface, functionality etc but the end result seems to be better with NX2.

[cdifoto]

I use the Canon profiles in LR, but the DPP output is still better. Its more work, but its better.
I won't sit here and say there are zero differences, but they're slight and rendered moot by the processing.